ALCS Game 3: TB @ BOS.
by Allen Chace on Oct 13, 2008 4:08 PM EDT
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PrintTampa Bay Rays at Boston Red Sox, Oct 13, 2008 4:37 PM EDT
Lester takes the mound vs. Garza, hopefully to get us back a series lead.
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Lineups:
Cora in at SS? Ells still at leadoff? Not sure, ladies and gents. Not sure. Cora has a .000 OPS vs. Matt Garza in the span of one game. Lowrie, the same, though I've got a heckuva lot more faith in Lowrie's hitting abilities. Still like Kotsay at 1b for defense.
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This is what I would like!
Casey at first for his bat. Kotsay is too weak a hitter.
Lowrie at short for his hitting potentail over Cora, although I am not sure he is that much better.
Ellsbury in the field of now, but he has to show some momentum generation and soon!
Anyone, absolutely anyone hitting instead of Varitek. Much too big a hole in the hitting with that one!
Varitek, Kotsay and Cora back to back in the lineup may just be toooo big a momentum sucking hole to overcome, so yes I am very concerned by this!
Afternoon All!!
In class- Go Sox!
"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."
( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)
In class too
but my professor is having me keep track of the score for her.
hey everyone
i have a midterm and a paper due tomorrow, but nothing can stop me when young mr. lester is on the mound
A-Rod drinks wine coolers and Jeter wears lipstick.
by pedroiastroika on Oct 13, 2008 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I had midterms during the ALDS
not looking forward to getting my grades…
wowza
i thought that was gone just from the sound of it
A-Rod drinks wine coolers and Jeter wears lipstick.
Yeah
I wish TBS was covering it with Dick Stockton announcing
Brings me back to the 1970s
by SullyBaseball on Oct 13, 2008 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
will that run be an earned run for lester?
or is it unearned because of the passed ball?
A-Rod drinks wine coolers and Jeter wears lipstick.
by pedroiastroika on Oct 13, 2008 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
passed ball belongs to pitching
so it is earned
Varitek in this spot
Varitek in this spot scares the tar out of me
by SullyBaseball on Oct 13, 2008 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions
NG was right
I don’t like Tek and Cora back to back. This just seems like bad news.
A-Rod drinks wine coolers and Jeter wears lipstick.
crap
2 straight innings with a runner in scoring position and less than 2 outs
by SullyBaseball on Oct 13, 2008 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Does NG hate Cora too?
With him, it’s usually Tek 24-7.
"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.
I do not hate anyone.
I just am not nostalgic for the old days so to speak and do not cheer for mediocrity on this team!. When a player at this level is washed up or consistently performing poorly, I say so. Varitek is washed up and is and has been badly, badly hurting this team. If you fail to acknowledge this, you are not dealing with reality IMO!
by NG on Oct 13, 2008 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree
I’ve always liked Veritek, but he’s been brutal and getting worse the past two seasons. The worst thing is seeing him at the plate with runners in scoring position and killing potential big innings with strikeouts, time after time. It’s sad to see.
by ccthemovieman on Oct 13, 2008 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Shameful, bottom of the 2nd.
Just shameful. Cora doing exactly what ‘Tek should’ve done, but already 2 outs.
F’ers. And them referencing Tek’s catching abilities, literally, after him not catching a ball led to the first run. HorseS.
"Are you a real doctor, or a doctor like Dr. Pepper is a doctor?"
Sully
Well if he calls a great game… fine
But his bad is so bad that I am wondering if Cash should get a start or two
by SullyBaseball on Oct 13, 2008 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Cora should be 8th against righties, Tek 9th.
Cora has shown much better hitting skills this year than Tek.
"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.
what was really funny..
was buck martinez saying something to the effect that “’you can impact a game by catching and doing nothing with the bat which is what tek has done for years.”
Sigh
It makes me very sad to say this because Tek has been my favorite player for what feels like 40 years, but he is killing us. Even his defense is weak. Ugh!
Tek isn't killing us as bad as Beckett.
"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.
I think BEckett is still hurt
He MUST be
by SullyBaseball on Oct 13, 2008 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions
COME BACK ALLEN
"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."
( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)
The announcers seem to be pulling for Tampa.
They seem to make a lot more noise when the Rays score than when we do.
"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.
Chip Carey
was rooting bigtime for the Angels and now he is doing it with Tampa Bay. I don’t know what his problem is with the Red Sox, but you are correct. His bias is pretty obvious.
by ccthemovieman on Oct 13, 2008 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry folks
I’m as big a Red Sox fan as you will meet… but there is one thing that all networks do NOT want is the Red Sox eliminated.
If they are rooting for anyone its the Red Sox because they have so many transplanted fans (like yours truly) all across the country and people tune in to see them.
If Tampa Bay wins the pennant you will see executives of both TBS and especially FOX jumping out of a window.
We think it is cheering when the announcer does things like “sound excited” and “not sound depressed like Joe Castigleone” when something positive happens to the Red Sox
Basically when you leave the Boston area, everyone accuses the announcers of being FOR the Red Sox. I live near LA and I heard Angels fans left and right calling up the radio stations saying “Why didn’t the TBS announcers just wear Red Sox hats and wave pom poms for Boston?”
by SullyBaseball on Oct 13, 2008 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions
My comments were based on
Carey admitteing it on the air that last game. He wanted the series to go five games because, as it put it, “a winner-take-all game between the team with the best record in baseball and defending champs would be great to see.” He was noticeably excited and much louder when the Angels scored twice in the eight to tie the game.
BTW, I don’t live in NE, either. I’m just reporting what Carey said. I don’t see any problems with the Martinez and Darling. They are more objective.
by ccthemovieman on Oct 13, 2008 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Carey
Carey sucks.
But everyone ALWAYS thinks they are rooting for the other side
by SullyBaseball on Oct 13, 2008 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Lester being Beckett.
Missing location BADLY with the fastball and getting hit HARD.
"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.
The main thing I don't like
about Tampa winning – if they do – is their pitiful fan support . They (their fans down there) don’t deserve a championship team.
Don't worry.
It’ll be the Calgary Rays before long.
"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.
But really, who does "deserve" a championship?
http://inplaynoouts.blogspot.com/ - A blog about teams I like, written by me.
by Carl Johnson on Oct 13, 2008 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Cleveland fans
Cleveland fans haven’t had a championship of ANY kind since 1964 with the Browns
Those are a lot of parade-less years
by SullyBaseball on Oct 13, 2008 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Cubs fans
A hundred years without a championship and still sell out each game.
by ccthemovieman on Oct 13, 2008 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Look up the attendence numbers for the cubs over the last 100 years
They didn’t used to sell out games.
Boston, obviously.
I have no problem with the Rays winning the World Series. Frankly, the Red Sox are lucky to be this far into the playoffs, given the terrible injuries we’ve sustained.
"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.
let's not be defeated yet!
CHIN UP!
THIS GAME AIN’T OVER
by SullyBaseball on Oct 13, 2008 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions
The main thing I don't like
is how people like to make arrogant statements like “such and such don’t deserve good things because I said so.”
St. Pete has had a team for a decade, and it has been awful the entire time. Give the Rays the same success the Red Sox have had and the fans will come. In fact, they have been coming, more this year than before. And this playoff run will sell more season tickets, and the numbers will rise next year. Will they then be “deserving” of a title? People came to hockey, they came to football, but in any market – not just Tampa Bay – it takes success to create a fanbase. Unless you’re the Cubs.
Stupid argument
If this current team sticks around, they can build a base and build history. No one is gonna root for the Rays just because they occupy a building down the street – there has to be a likable product, be it a winning team, good team chemistry, whatever.
If you build the future around the Rays team that you see today, they will come.
If the Mariners
If the Mariners could develop a fan base (and they had more losing seasons before their first division title than the Rays) then ANY team can!
by SullyBaseball on Oct 13, 2008 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions
The Mariners SBN site is incredible
They have the patience of Job – the Mariners are dogshit and it’s still one of the most active SBN sites around.
Seconded.
"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.
Seattle fans
now that Seattle no longer have the Supersonics, you have to go back to the 1917 Seattle Metropolitans to see a Seattle champion
(they won the Stanley Cup)
by SullyBaseball on Oct 13, 2008 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, well , well
I wont give up on the Sox but have to head to a diff class & cant follow the game…
"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."
( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)
At least
At least Pedroia is doing his job
by SullyBaseball on Oct 13, 2008 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Drastic measures.
If we told the Rays we’d take only two outs in our halves of innings, would they let us use only Bay, DP, and Youks at the plate?
"Are you a real doctor, or a doctor like Dr. Pepper is a doctor?"
we have 2 outs
this bodes well for us…
…if tek wasn’t up.
A-Rod drinks wine coolers and Jeter wears lipstick.
I think I am going to throw up on my keyboard
It’s not pretty
by SullyBaseball on Oct 13, 2008 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions
No mementum really hurts!
Momentum is contagious. Generate it, and the pitcher and most hitters benefit greatly. The problem with Lester tonight, IMO, is that he is mentally down due to no offensive potential. He knows this, and it just puts him in an almost impossible position having to virtually carry this team by himself. I blame this momentum void on a combination of unfortunate injuries, but also on possible managerial misconduct/misjudgment in playing very weak hitters instead on benching them in favor of others. Maybe there just are not enough good hitters left on the team, but if so, do not look for much momentum to repeat 2004 or 2007!
Really is irrelevant because
if Lester loses and Beckett is hurting, there is not enough ptiching to win, nevermind no hitting!. This may well be a bad turning point in this season for the Sox as the momentum seems to have gone over totally to the Rays.
by NG on Oct 13, 2008 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Before we panic
Remember Andy Sonnanstine can be hit and Scott Kazmir didn’t exactly look like Steve Carlton
by SullyBaseball on Oct 13, 2008 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions
To NG: speaking of the lineup
For ‘09 and beyond,…….. I like Ellsbury, Pedroia, Drew, Bay, Youk and Lowrie. That’s six out of the nine in the starting lineup. I wonder about Lowell and Ortiz losing effectiveness while Veritek’s situation is dire. Lowell still should produce, once he’s healthy but he’s getting up in age. If Oritz has another .250 year next season, he should be gone by 2010. As for pitching, we’re in decent shape but unless Beckett continues to have physical problems. Another big FA wouldn’t hurt!
To Sully: I like your optimism!! Keep it up. We need to hear it!
by ccthemovieman on Oct 13, 2008 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Remember
We were down 3-1 in the 1986 ALCS
We were down 2-0 in the 1999 Division Series
We were down 2-0 in the 2003 Division Series
We were down 3-1 in last year’s ALCS
I also remember us down 3-0 in the 2004 ALCS
We ain’t dead yet!
by SullyBaseball on Oct 13, 2008 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Too many injuries this year resulting in
too few effective pitchers (along with an aging Wakefield). In 2004 and 2007, we did not have such devastating injuries so we were actually deeper with both hitters and pitchers. I think it would be almost a miracle to repeat those feats this year, but I hope they can!!
by NG on Oct 13, 2008 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions
We also had Curt Schilling
One of the best clutch pitchers in history.
by ccthemovieman on Oct 13, 2008 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe not.
But they’re getting up there.
"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.
Velazquez or Casey
With Byrd in the game, only Gil Velazquez and Sean Casey are the only two Red Sox players on the roster to not bust a box score
I am guessing it is even money that neither see the game tonight
I SAID
I SAID CORA SHOULD HAVE BEEN ON SECOND!!!!
How am I going to clean up all of this vomit from my keyboard?
Cora's ball bounced right to the right fielder.
It’s not like he could’ve gotten to 2nd without being thrown out by a mile.
"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.
Dear Mr. Caray,
I do not want to continuously hear how many double plays Red Sox hitters hit into. ESPECIALLY when you don’t provide the same information for Rays hitters.
"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.
Pedroia and Tek with a sweet play
Tek blocks Crawford and keeps him from scoring.
"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.
well
well… at least Paul Byrd is saving the bullpen
(how about THAT for seeing the glass half full?)
Half empty.
I have the feeling we’re going to be yearning for Byrd during Wake’s start.
"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.
I feel heavy stress when the Sox can win but do not perform well!
I now feel much less stress because I think this team can not achieve their objective of repeating as WS champs. They do not now have the talent to do it! Too many injuries resulting in not enough pitching and not enough timely hitting.
I suppose I can now become like the die-hard fan types, and make believe all is well. Go sox!
This has been a very frustrating game, and series.
But there is still time to win it. Will we? Probably not.
"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.
Great game guys....great game!!!!
Some MONSTA HR shots!!!!
by TheUltimateBucFan on Oct 13, 2008 7:53 PM EDT reply actions
New thread if anyone's around.
TheUltimateBucFan? Not so fast.
"Are you a real doctor, or a doctor like Dr. Pepper is a doctor?"
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