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JD Drew - The Optimist's View [Promoted Diary]

Given all the hand wringing about JD Drew I thought I'd take a closer look at the guy and see what we can expect in the future. In the tables below I've tried to outline why I think JD will be a much better addition come '08 than he was this year.

I looked at his offensive stats this year and compared them with his career best years for each stat and what team he was on when he achieved them. Then I estimated how much his stats would change if he performed at his lifetime average as well as a "breakout year" where he equaled his best performance.

[Note for stat junkies: I didn't correct for games played or number of at-bats in each season. Also I just took a normal average not a geometric average. Yeah, I'm lazy, so you'll have to take these numbers with a grain of salt, as they say. I did try to account for these factors in my qualitative assessments at the end however.]

Two things stand out when you look at Drew's numbers this year versus the past. The first is that in no category of offensive production has JD had a career year with the Sox. All of his best years were in the National League with 2004 as his over career high year so far. Worse yet, he's been below his career average for nearly every measurement of quality for his at-bats this year.

The silver lining in all this is that there seems to be nowhere to go but up. I think that he's due for an above average year as he settles in to the AL and the high pressure atmosphere in Boston. He hits less for power now than in the beginning of his career but is a much harder out and will likely improve in both OPS & Slugging, but more in the latter than the former. Still a lot more run production can be expected absent injury. Below I've detailed what I estimate the likelihood of improvement will be for JDs production based on his past stats.

* Runs: Slight Improvement - JD's performance in this category as actually been fairly close to average for his career, but he'll probably walk more and strike out about the same so it all averages out.

* Hits: Slight Improvement - Definitely running below average here so I would expect more hits and more hits for power.

* Extra Base Hits: No Improvement here really if we judge by history, but that doesn't include home runs.

* HR: Highly likely - Maybe it's just AL pitching, but I think that it seems very likely that we'll see 10 or more additional home runs from JD next year relative to this year. That will likely translate into 2 or more games in the win column too.

* RBI: Highly likely - Since we're likely to see JD up his power numbers, especially in the HR category, expect RBIs to improve by 10 to 20 next season.

* BB: Highly likely - All signs point to JD being a much harder out next year, especially in terms of walks.

* K: No Improvement - JD has actually struck out right near his career average so he'll likely keep going at this rate. It seems like he'll walk more and fly out less to make his at bats more meaningful.

* SB: No Improvement - stealing bases was something he stopped doing long ago. However, as an older, wiser player he might pick better key moments to steal a base.

* AVG: Highly likely - again his batting average is well below his more productive years. More walks are likely as his power numbers improve and pitchers get more wary of leaving one over the plate. There may be a Manny/Ortiz factor here as well. Since pitchers have been able to more readily pitch through those two, the pressure has doubled on JD and company to produce. It's hard to get patient at-bats in that situation. As the David and Manny show gets back on track and JD starts hitting more towards an average of home runs we may see a knock-on effect as pitchers face a more exhausting triple threat. Not say JD compares equally to those two, just that if you're a pitcher and you have to get past David Ortiz and THEN Manny Ramirez and THEN face a guy batting .300 with .450 slugging (25 HRs, 90+ RBIs), life gets alot more difficult. I have a feeling THIS was what Theo was seeing when he spent $12 million.

* OBP: Highly likely - there seems no doubt that JD will get on base more in the future. Again, I think as his power numbers improve pitchers will take a more cautious appraoch with more walks being the result.

* SLG: Highly likely - If we're lucky this guy is capable of hitting 30 home runs in a season. If Ortiz and Manny return to even an average level of HR production next year things will go very hard on opposing team pitchers trying to get through these three. More likely though we'll see Jay-dizzle become a good number two or six hitter along with Youk. If Lowell can stay as active next year as this, we will have an actual offense to be reckoned with.

* OPS: Highly likely - Again, not more doubles but walks and home runs will improve his overall ratio of power and getting on base relative to his number at bats.

Final points - Are you ready to cut Drew only to see him go elsewhere and produce like he did in '04?

The devils advocate would respond to all this with the observation that it's possible that JD Drew is a good hitter in the NL but in the AL he's just not worth $12 million.

I'd like to head off one area of discussion right away - Yes JD makes more than Ortiz but how many people think that Big Papi would get only a $12 million contract when he hits free-agency. NO WAY, NO HOW. So estimate THAT number before you compare their salaries. They just are not at equivalent stages of their careers at this point. Okay, enough -- your thoughts?

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Will JD Drew improve or will he be a $12 million waste of space in '08?
Hells No! My granma hits better than "Grey fizzle". 12 million...that's a lot of lottery tickets and Theo blanked on ALL of 'em.
14 votes
Snoop Dog references are annoying.
1 votes
Hells Yeah! - Jay Dizzle will fashizzle in '08, he's got nowhere to go but up.
15 votes
Maybe. - You've convinced me that all hope is not lost, but he'll never be what we was in the NL.
11 votes

41 votes | Poll has closed

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Re: JD Drew - The Optimist's View
Randy's comment about Ellsbury brings up an interesting point I hadn't considered...that it might end up being a choice between Manny and Drew. Uh...no f'ing contest there.
You can take the boy outta Boston, but you can't take the Boston outta the boy.

by B Cap on Sep 5, 2007 2:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: JD Drew - The Optimist's View
"Speaking of the outfield, here are some things that have to happen next year: Ellsbury has to be a starter from day one. Ellsbury has to be the leadoff man from day one. But what are the Sox going to do? I don't want the Sox to give up Crisp because I think he's finally settled into being a Red Sox. He's had his tough times and bad moments, but barring anything catastrophic, I think Crisp will have a career year next season. That leaves Manny Ramirez or Drew. Any takers on Drew?" ~ Randy Booth
You can take the boy outta Boston, but you can't take the Boston outta the boy.

by B Cap on Sep 5, 2007 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just so you're not the only
one commenting on your post, thought I'd lend a hand.

You left one option out of your poll: Drew will improve next season AND be a $12M waste of space. The two are not mutually exclusive.

Yankee Ombudsman

by LateInningRelief on Sep 5, 2007 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Just so you're not the only
yeah, yeah, yeah...so I've got too much time on my hands! At least I'm not wasting my time like you posting on a baseball blog! ...oh, wait....
You can take the boy outta Boston, but you can't take the Boston outta the boy.

by B Cap on Sep 5, 2007 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: JD Drew - The Optimist's View
I agree that Ellsbury needs to start and I too like Coco Crisp. Beyond that, I think changes need to be made in the outfield. Manny has been a great hitter, but he seems to play with little interest and is probably on the downside of his career. I prefer to use his $20 million a year for a first rate replacement. Hinske is not the backup we need either. There must be a better possibility there, since the guy can't hit his weight and is not all that hot as a fielder. Finally, Drew has not performed. It is true that he is a decent fielder and has some speed. His hitting is not what we need. His salary is pretty high so trading might not be possible. I would like to start Crisp, Ellsbury and a solid player, like Crawford, if we can get him. I would then look for a older backup guy and let Drew go.

by Longsuffering on Sep 8, 2007 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: JD Drew - The Optimist's View
Thorough analysis...much appreciated.  It is tough to say about Drew.  I am one of the guys bitching and moaning about him, so I have to say I think his best days are behind him.  Not sure if those "best days" were even worth the money Theo decided to give him.  I know it is not in his personality but it would certainly be welcomed if he showed a bit of anger or frustration after looking like me at the plate...

I do think the Sox will be patient as the front office may not want to admit another mistake...ie: Wily Mo, Renteria (and to some extent Coco)...Renteria and Wily Mo have done better elsewhere...

by cblesz on Sep 5, 2007 3:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: JD Drew - The Optimist's View
"...looking like me at the plate." HaHaHa!! Awesome. Yeah, I think LateInningRelief nailed it above by pointing out that he could both improve AND be a $12 million waste of space. The irony of this exercise is that I'm now less convinced he'll add value then before. I'm certain his numbers will get better as he's too young to start breaking down, but he'll really have to have a banner year to be worth it.
You can take the boy outta Boston, but you can't take the Boston outta the boy.

by B Cap on Sep 5, 2007 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: JD Drew - The Optimist's View
NOBODYis taking Drew's contract. The only scenario I see of that happening, is trading him to Colorado and then assuming Heltons BS contract, moving Youk to third. That makes me frown.

by Matzushocka on Sep 5, 2007 7:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: JD Drew - The Optimist's View
I have watched the Red Sox for 30 years, and I cannot stand to watch J. D. Drew strike out and be so unproductive every single game. It is just like clockwork. He will foul off a good pitch, swing and miss a pitch, and then sit and watch the next pitch for a strikeout. A few recent games with the bases loaded and he struck out every time. Replace him w/ Ellsbury immediately and perhaps we make the ALCS.I would personally send him down to triple AAA until he comes around.  

by inhaler on Sep 6, 2007 10:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: JD Drew - The Optimist's View
"A few recent games with the bases loaded and he struck out every time."

Don't forget about tonite's double play...

Bu I agree with the premise, Drew is toast. Which is too bad, because I really really want him to be decent, at least.

Just my two cents. Keep the change.

by tommy.otm on Sep 6, 2007 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: JD Drew - The Optimist's View [Promoted Diary]
Ah ha!!!  About time we seriously discuss the JD Drew debacle.  Please, please, please sit him down. What a waste of money.  Just put Ellsbury out there.  How does it hurt other than the 15th and 30th of the month for the organization.

Tonight was simply pathetic.  Bases loaded, one out.  Nancy steps in.  Does he take a few pitches? Noooooo, swings away at the first pitch and hits into a double play.  My God.  Hey JD...show some emotion at least...throw your helmet or at least look disgusted.  One last thing...I wish they would stop referring to it as "the struggles for JD Drew continue."  He was never that good...

by cblesz on Sep 6, 2007 11:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: JD Drew - The Optimist's View [Promoted Diary]
It's not that I totally disagree with you about all these points, but the guy did hit 31 HRs for Atlanta in '04. Are you saying that you wouldn't be singing his praises if he'd done that here?  I think we'd all feel differently.  That said, a spell at AAA might be the right message to send.  Definitely feeling that Ellsbury is the go to guy for this year.  If no one takes Drew's contract, which they won't bring him back in the Spring and see if he can get back to normal.
You can take the boy outta Boston, but you can't take the Boston outta the boy.

by B Cap on Sep 7, 2007 4:59 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: JD Drew - The Optimist's View [Promoted Diary]
"a spell at AAA might be the right message to send"

Isn't AAA done for the year?

Just my two cents. Keep the change.

by tommy.otm on Sep 7, 2007 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: JD Drew - The Optimist's View [Promoted Diary]
I don't know about anyone else, but I look at Drew the same way I look at Giambi.  He probably had to give up the steroids and whatever else he was on before because of the new testing program.  Yes his numbers might get better, no, they will most likely ever be what we expect from him in a Red Sox uniform.  I don't know if Manny will be back next year (his contract is no longer a long-term risk for any teams interested in him), but even if he goes, we can still find better than Drew.

by JoseBlow on Sep 7, 2007 12:48 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: JD Drew - The Optimist's View [Promoted Diary]
Let's be honest: Drew and his huge contract should just be written off now.

The best-case scenario is that we ditch him entirely, pay him $28 million more over the next two seasons, then get to opt out because of injury.  (Question: if he doesn't play, does that rule out voiding years 4 and 5 of the contract?)

The real reason Drew is so aggravating isn't his lack of passion, or even his terrible play. It's that everyone knew it was insane to sign him to a fat contract in the first place. Just about everyone in the world knew that this guy was a passionless and often-injured player who really wasn't a game-changer. Everyone could innately feel the awkwardness of Drew earning more than David Ortiz or (by 40%!) Jason Varitek. It never seemed right.  Watching that offer get made was like watching a train wreck happen in front of you.

Somehow, having the foreknowledge that it's going to be a disaster makes it more frustrating, not less, when the disaster happens.

by Bonwah on Sep 7, 2007 1:10 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: JD Drew - The Optimist's View [Promoted Diary]
I'm disappointed simply because I don't think my expectations for him were too high coming into the season. .280 BA, .370 OBP, 30-40 2B, 20 HR, somewhere in the 5-10 range for OF assists (though this is somewhat based on opportunity).

Obviously not what we've gotten so far, and obviously the 2Bs are a range that he's gotten into only once anyway. I think he's been pull-conscious (Exhibits A-Z, then back to A, then back through Z, his groundouts to 2B), and once/if he's able to go the opposite way, we'll start to see him really show up.

There's the situation with his son as well, and it sounds like such a serious and heartbreaking thing to happen that I'm not sure he could honestly say it hasn't weighed on his mind in the majority of his waking moments.

And as several others have pointed out, his trade value is at an all-time low, so dumping him isn't a realistic option.

Excellent job, B Cap.

by Allen Chace on Sep 7, 2007 4:12 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: JD Drew - The Optimist's View [Promoted Diary]
Is it public knowledge what exactly is going on with his son? I know he had surgery earlier in the season, but I haven't heard an update on his health.
Just my two cents. Keep the change.

by tommy.otm on Sep 7, 2007 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: JD Drew - The Optimist's View [Promoted Diary]
Nobody knows as the family has asked for privacy.  Look, I got two little kids of my own and cannot imagine being able to focus at work if something was wrong with one of them. That being said, maybe he should take a leave of absence?  He is truly irritating, but I must say I feel a bit bad if his boy is having problems...I dunno, I am kind of torn...

by cblesz on Sep 7, 2007 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: JD Drew - The Optimist's View [Promoted Diary]
"Excellent job, B Cap."

Thankya...thankyaverymuch!  Well, I'm not ACTUALLY trying to take your job...that is exhausting to do all that!  Anyway, it was fun though.  

I do think that there is some issue with fitting in, although I have to admit that in searching for the silver lining here I did kinda wonder -- for a guy who's soo supposedly obsessed with stats, what the hell did Theo see in this guy?  I'd love to hear him defend his decision. 31 HRs in '04 seems like a fluke given his history and if there were rumors of 'roid use and lack of drive at other teams, what was the draw?  I'm seeing interest, but only if it's cheap.

You can take the boy outta Boston, but you can't take the Boston outta the boy.

by B Cap on Sep 7, 2007 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: JD Drew - The Optimist's View [Promoted Diary]
B Cap,

You seem to be arguing with yourself a bit. You seem to be coming down on the Pessimist's View in your comments.

I'm curious what you meant by "I'm seeing interest, but only if it's cheap." You mean for a trade? You think anyone would do that unless the Sox picked up more than half of the salary?

Yankee Ombudsman

by LateInningRelief on Sep 7, 2007 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: JD Drew - The Optimist's View [Promoted Diary]
LIR - You're right I AM arguing with myself.  I started this as an exercise to see why we bought the guy and what his potential would be if he became the player that we all expected him to be.  And the more I look at it I just don't see why Theo had to have THIS guy...seems like there could have been a lot alternatives.  By interest, I meant that I could see why Theo would have been interested in Drewgiven what he knew at the time, but not at $12 million.
You can take the boy outta Boston, but you can't take the Boston outta the boy.

by B Cap on Sep 10, 2007 4:04 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: JD Drew - The Optimist's View [Promoted Diary]
I believe I read his kid has dysplasia of the hip.  While no parent wants this for thier child, it's relatively easy to treat with no long term health problems.  We thought my son had it so I know what Drew is dealing with and would be surprised if it affected him on the field.
John

by sportingchinwag on Sep 7, 2007 3:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: JD Drew - The Optimist's View [Promoted Diary]
Might it also be the simple fact that Drew is new to the AL?  I'd be surprised if he didn't do significantly better next year and come close to earning his $.
John

by sportingchinwag on Sep 7, 2007 3:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: JD Drew - The Optimist's View [Promoted Diary]
"I'd be surprised if he didn't do significantly better next year and come close to earning his $."

I'll say he'll come CLOSER, but I dn't know if he can actually come "close" when (as pointed out above) he's making 40% more than Papi.

Just my two cents. Keep the change.

by tommy.otm on Sep 7, 2007 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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