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Busting Yankee Mythology

With the Yankees having won the last two nights and trying to get back into it, we're not far from hearing the usual routine from NY fans about how they always somehow manage to prevail in every tight race about the BoSox. They are enabled in this arrogrance by the mainstream media, which dutifully intones this storyline with every NY hot streak. But is it true?

The myth that the Yankees have some almost magical power to prevail over the Red Sox in tight races has been repeated so often its hard to contradict, but it's simply not true. I can only find FOUR cases where this happened--1949, 1977, 1978 and 2003.

And the myth crumbles even more when you look inside those years. 1949 is remembered for being the year the BoSox lost a one-game lead by losing two straight in the Bronx to close the season. What's NOT remembered is that the Sox were twelve games back in August. Before arrogant Yankee fans (pardon the redundancy) try and gloat about this one, they might ask what the hell they were doing fighting for their lives to begin with.

2003 might be remembered as the year Grady Little stuck with Pedro too long. But it's also the year in which Boston went back to the Bronx trailing the series 3-2, and had to send John Burkett to the mound to face Andy Pettite. Then they trailed in the seventh inning. And somehow they won and forced Game 7. The real story of this series was how the Yankees managed to get five outs from being eliminated by a wild-card team that had problems in the bullpen and the back end of the rotation throughout the year. Before starting their next gloat about Aaron Boone, Yankee fans might want to see if they have enough brain cells to remember how they got in such a precarious position to begin with.

Fair enough on 1978. The Yanks made a big-time rally and earned their gloating rights that year. Although it's certainly canceled out by 2004, so again we're back to even.

So in surveying the entire course of Red Sox-Yankees history, from the advent of the World Series and the days of Tris Speaker, on through the Yankee dynasty of the 50s, through Yaz and Reggie, through Fisk and Munson and on to the present day, this ENTIRE mythology rests on the fact that twenty years ago, the Yankees edged out both the BoSox and the Birds by 2 1/2 games in a hard-fought division race, and went on to win the 1977 World Series. I mean, really, it was a tough loss, but is it worth this level of Yankee arrogance, Boston angst and mainstream media attention?

This whole myth has taken on the proportions that it has for two reasons. One, is that, as we all know, the Sox managed to suffer other tough losses along the way to other teams, from the 1972 & 1974 AL East races (won by Detroit and Baltimore), to the horrors of 1986. And they lost the World Series twice to the Cardinals. But when you come to think of it, the Cards had a stronger case for being a Boston nemesis in the clutch then the Yankees did.

The other reason is that after the sale of Ruth, the Red Sox just went through a long stretch where they were losing to everybody, not just the Yanks. And New York was beating everybody, not just the Sox. It wasn't any special magical formula that NY had at crunch time. There was no crunch time to speak of. As longtime Sox fans are painfully aware, there have just been large swaths of history where this team was not well run. And the Yankees, with the exception of the CBS era have been. No magic necessary.

What it all boils down is that there is absolutely no reason for New York fans to get full of themselves and think they own the BoSox down the stretch. When we have a front office that's committed to winning and gets good pitching, our record in the clutch matches that of the Yanks. We've got both this year. Yankee fans might want to deflate their own egos a little bit. They couldn't uncork their magic in 1986 or 1988 when the teams were more evenly matched. Which should tell them all they need to know about their own mythology.

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Give me a little
of whatever you had for lunch.

Not sure I can follow all of your logic, but it sounds good.

by Bill Heffernan on Aug 30, 2007 2:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Busting Yankee Mythology
If the Sox had Manny available for the whole series, they might have won. Manny often hits the Yankees well (he's one of the few who showed up for the massacre last year).

I think the Sox are a deeper team than the Yanks. They're better prepared than NYY for the playoffs.

The Yankees don't have mythology on their side, but they've been gifted with some excellent performances from replacement players. Melky Cabrera, Aaron Small, Shaun Chacon... the list goes on and on. I think it's more luck than having a great farm system (although Melky is a good player).

Meanwhile, the Sox go out and sign the best FA at RF and SS, and ended up burned on each acquisition (for this year, at least). Dice-K and Beckett just can't shut down the Yankee line up.

by 0157H7 on Aug 30, 2007 10:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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I disagree.  Luck isn't Wang, Cano, Cabrera, Chamberlain.  Chacon and Small was luck.

by ReLaunch on Aug 30, 2007 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Busting Yankee Mythology
I assume you're here to falsely accuse me of something?

by Allen Chace on Aug 31, 2007 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Busting Yankee Mythology
No, if you let comments allowed on  your 250word rant, I would have let you know there.

by ReLaunch on Aug 31, 2007 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Busting Yankee Mythology
It's impossible to own up to mistakes unless allowed to on a post not intended for discussion or dissection!

by Allen Chace on Sep 6, 2007 3:00 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thank you
I'd like to take this opportunity to thank Danny for writing a thoughtful, well-punctuated, and generally grammatically correct post. Kudos! It was very easy to read.
"You know you're having a bad day when the fifth inning rolls around and they drag the warning track." - Mike Flanagan, Baltimore Orioles pitcher, 1992.

by SoxDevil on Aug 31, 2007 12:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Notes from the Other Side
What it all boils down is that there is absolutely no reason for New York fans to get full of themselves and think they own the BoSox down the stretch.

Interesting point you make, but near as I can tell from all these diaries, it's not the NY fans that think they own the BoSox down the stretch, but the BoSox fans that think we own you down the stretch. Please reference Pedro "Who's Your Daddy" Martinez.

Yankee Ombudsman

by LateInningRelief on Sep 5, 2007 1:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Notes from the Other Side
Please reference Pedro "Who's Your Daddy" Martinez.

Let this be a lesson. Referencing things from three years ago matters today.

On that note.

Kevin Brown! Javier Vazquez! Tony Clark! Ruben Sierra! Kenny Lofton! The Fall of Juicin Giambi! Aaron Boone plays basketball! Contreras! 77 innings of Tanyon Sturtze!

by Allen Chace on Sep 6, 2007 3:00 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Notes from the Other Side
Saw your front page comment on your burn out, and I think perhaps you need a break. You've done a heroic job keeping this group in line, but sooner or later, any man breaks down.

The topic was Busting Yankee Mythology, if I remember correctly. The Pedro reference was Exhibit A. Not sure what Kevin Brown et al have to do with the topic. But Pedro's comment was a clear example of how the Yankees live deep in your psyche.

Was your point that RSN has grown and evolved in three years? That after 2004, Sox fans are no longer fretting about Yankee mythology?

In that case, Exhibit A is OverTheMonster.com. Please see about half of your posts, notably one by B Cap in which he references his old girlfriend. I believe she so eloquently described the Sox fan as the guy hunched over his beer hoping not to lose.

You guys are going to make the playoffs, most likely more than a week before the regular season ends. And I'm not sure if you're equipped to deal with an entry into the post-season that is not infused with some bizarre psycho-dramatics. I think you really all need to take a little rest.

Yankee Ombudsman

by LateInningRelief on Sep 6, 2007 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whatever dude
We've had two posters here all summer who - despite being nice guys - have had a sinking feeling about the team. The rest of us have done our best to cheer them up, or to point out that every team has its ups and downs, or to berate them out of their negativity. None of which has worked.

If you were a regular here, you'd pick up more on the meta-conversation and the sarcasm ("inevitable slide", etc.) that has arisen from the dialogue with the two pessimists.

B Cap's girlfriend story was in reference to that type of fan, and was not a reflection of B Cap himself or the vast majority of posters here.

And not to speak for Allen, but I'd imagine some of his fatigue has to do with a Yankee troll's (not you) recent attempt to tarnish his name in SportsBlog Nation.

Just my two cents. Keep the change.

by tommy.otm on Sep 6, 2007 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Busting Yankee Mythology
No knock on Allen here. He does an impressive job. I just think he needs some time off. Regroup a little, re-work the Sox narrative, etc.

Allen, if you like, I'd be happy to pinch-hit for you. I'll take care of all your front page posts, say, through the Yankee/Sox series at Fenway. Just say the word, and I'll lend a hand.

Yankee Ombudsman

by LateInningRelief on Sep 6, 2007 2:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Busting Yankee Mythology
A generous offer, though I should probably let my fellow OTMers decide on whether or not to let a Yankee Ombudsman take over such duties.

Well. Anyone?

by Allen Chace on Sep 6, 2007 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Busting Yankee Mythology
How about LIR posts here and Allen takes over the front page posting over at Pinstripe Alley. But just for a few days. Preferably during the upcoming Sox-Yanks series. Might be fun.
Just my two cents. Keep the change.

by tommy.otm on Sep 6, 2007 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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It's an interesting idea, Tommy, but I was hoping to give Allen a little break. Time to see the family, catch up on that book he's been meaning to read. If OTM is a handful, just think what he'd be dealing with at Pinstripe Alley.
Yankee Ombudsman

by LateInningRelief on Sep 6, 2007 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Busting Yankee Mythology
"just think what he'd be dealing with at Pinstripe Alley."

You mean in addition to posting, trying to teach people english?

Just my two cents. Keep the change.

by tommy.otm on Sep 6, 2007 4:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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