Open Thread: 8.15.07 vs. Tampa Bay

by Randy Booth on Aug 15, 2007 1:17 PM EDT in Open Thread

BOS Matsuzaka (13-8, 3.59) TAM Sonnanstine (1-8, 6.35) Red Sox: 1. Dustin Pedroia, 2B 2. Kevin Youkilis, 1B 3. David Ortiz, DH 4. Manny Ramirez, LF 5. J.D. Drew, RF 6. Mike Lowell, 3B 7. Jason Varitek, C 8. Coco Crisp, CF 9. Julio Lugo, SS Devil Rays: 1. Akinori Iwamura, 3B 2. Carl Crawford, LF 3. B.J. Upton, CF 4. Carlos Pena, 1B 5. Delmon Young, DH 6. Brendan Harris, 2B 7. Jonny Gomes, RF 8. Dioner Navarro, C 9. Ben Zobrist, SS

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Re: Open Thread: 8.15.07 vs. Tampa Bay

POTG: Lowell
Dice-K Line: 7.2IP, 5H, 1ER, 1BB, 9K
Extra: Sox get 2SBs and 2HRs.

by MatthewRI on Aug 15, 2007 12:34 PM EDT reply actions

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Player of the Game: Papi

Matsuzaka's Line: 7 IP, 5 H, 2 ER, 3 BB, 7 K

Above and Beyond: Sox score at least 6 runs and get at least 4 extra base hits and 10 hits overall

by RSNexile on Aug 15, 2007 12:44 PM EDT reply actions

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MassGal's picks:

Player of the Game: Manny

Dice K's Line: 7IP, 4H, 1ER, 2BB, 9K

Above & Beyond: Sox hit atleast 2 doubles; Dice K has at least three 1-2-3 innings

by RSNexile on Aug 15, 2007 12:45 PM EDT reply actions

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gnick55's picks:

Player of the Game: Ortiz
Matsuzaka's Line: 6 IP, 4 H, 2 ER, 3 BB, 8 K
Above and Beyond: Sox get at least 4 extra base hits.

by RSNexile on Aug 15, 2007 12:46 PM EDT reply actions

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Drugs Delaney's picks:

Player of the Game: Papi
Dice-K's Line: 7 IP 5 H 2 ER 2 BB 8 K
Above and Beyond: Matsuzaka finally gets enough run-support to get a win.

by RSNexile on Aug 15, 2007 12:46 PM EDT reply actions

Thanks

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Aug 15, 2007 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions

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Early game today, had no clue. Missed OTM last night, but I wouldn't have gotten anything correct.

POTG: Matsuzaka
Matsuzaka: 8.0IP, 5 H, 1 ER, 8 K, 0 BB
A&B: Matsuzaka doesn't throw more than 20 pitches in any given inning.

by theartolater on Aug 15, 2007 1:03 PM EDT reply actions

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Why they don't bat lowell 5th all the time is beyond me..

Potg: DP
Dice: 7 IP 8 H, 7 K , 2 BB 3 ER sox win 7-4
A&B : DP, Lowell and Tek carry the team

the difference between a yankee stadium hot dog and a fenway frank is that they dont sell yankee dogs in october anymore.

by fishfarmr on Aug 15, 2007 1:45 PM EDT reply actions

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Come on Daisuke, get your act together.

by gnick55 on Aug 15, 2007 1:53 PM EDT reply actions

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Please tell me that scoreboard isn't right...cant get GameDAy for some reason....5-0 Tampa Bay?

by MassGal on Aug 15, 2007 1:59 PM EDT reply actions

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Unfortunatly it's correct. Daisuke just lost it in the third.

by gnick55 on Aug 15, 2007 2:05 PM EDT reply actions

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whoa whats going on? Down 5-0? I can't really watch since I'm at work.

by 3000miles on Aug 15, 2007 2:06 PM EDT reply actions

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Um, Red Sox? This guy is 1-8 with an ERA over 6. Can we get a few hits, please?

by RickD on Aug 15, 2007 2:35 PM EDT reply actions

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C'mon. I am waiting for you guys to say, "Sonnanstine is a good pitcher"..."Tampa may have something in this guy". Please. We are freaking pathetic. The guy has a 6.00 ERA.

by cblesz @ Over the Monster on Aug 15, 2007 2:39 PM EDT reply actions

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So he's having the best outing of his career. It happens. We still have the best record in baseball, and whining about that is freaking pathetic.

by RSNexile on Aug 15, 2007 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions

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No. Making excuses every single freaking game is pathetic. Take the rose glasses off. And, I was not whining...stating a fact.

by cblesz @ Over the Monster on Aug 15, 2007 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions

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Last time I checked, we'd won 60% of our games. That's about what you expect from a World Series contender. And when even the worst teams win 40% of the time, I don't think it's pathetic to live in the realm of reality.

by RSNexile on Aug 15, 2007 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions

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Put down the pipe. The way this team is put together right now, there is no way they win the world series, let alone get there. Unreal, no reality here at all.

by cblesz @ Over the Monster on Aug 15, 2007 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions

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Absolutely right. No team is excused from having a bad day. No credit should be given for fighting back in the late innings. Timlin and J-Tav should be hung for their efforts this afternoon. Most wins in the ML? Meaningless. It's a meaningless statistic.

There's worrying and then there's being overly pessimistic. We should've knocked Sonnanstine around like a pinata this afternoon. It didn't happen. What can you do, at this point? What roster move can be made? What lineup switch? Who would you have put at 1-2 this afternoon rather than DP and Youks?

Channel the energy into trying to find solutions to the problems that would actually work. Saying "we're pathetic" (a lot) doesn't add to the discussion.

FWIW, Sonnanstine struck out 66 with a 1.03 WHIP in 71 IP at AAA this season. AA, 2006: 1.00 WHIP, 153 Ks in in 185 2/3. Is he guaranteed to have a successful ML career? No. But it's pretty clear that he's not an entirely talentless scrub. (MiLB.com)

His FIP at the ML-level is 4.74, he's been unlucky in terms of the amount of runners he's LOB: 59.1%, and his BB/G (1.8) is nothing to sneeze at. (THT, all)

by Allen Chace on Aug 15, 2007 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions

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What can you do, at this point? What roster move can be made? What lineup switch? Who would you have put at 1-2 this afternoon rather than DP and Youks?

Channel the energy into trying to find solutions to the problems that would actually work

I basically agree with this, although holding management accountable is tough to do in a city with inadequate stadium infrastructure that leads to support for the team no matter how they play. Still, well said.

by NG on Aug 15, 2007 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions

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What NG said...

by cblesz @ Over the Monster on Aug 15, 2007 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions

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He has held our "explosive offense" to one freaking hit? My God.

by cblesz @ Over the Monster on Aug 15, 2007 2:39 PM EDT reply actions

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For some reason, the Sox struggle against pitchers they've never seen before -- no matter how bad they are. It seems like they always struggle against guys like this. I'm not too worried about it, but this game is getting better...

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by Randy Booth on Aug 15, 2007 3:35 PM EDT reply actions

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by Randy Booth on Aug 15, 2007 3:37 PM EDT reply actions

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There's a bit of hitting from Manny.

by gnick55 on Aug 15, 2007 3:54 PM EDT reply actions

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Jeter just hit into a DP to end the 8th. O's still lead 3-0. Yankees haven't scored a run since Monday.

by RickD on Aug 15, 2007 3:54 PM EDT reply actions

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We need a rally... is Reyes pitching again?

by MassGal on Aug 15, 2007 4:12 PM EDT reply actions

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Dammit, the O's really need a better bullpen.
Yankees tie it with a 3-run HR with 2 outs in the 9th.

(Who the heck is Shelley Duncan?)

by RickD on Aug 15, 2007 4:17 PM EDT reply actions

Who the heck is Shelley Duncan?

The "kid" Suzyn Waldman raves about

by MassGal on Aug 15, 2007 4:19 PM EDT reply actions

Shelley Duncan

I'll give the kid credit. He didn't hit a mistake, he hit a pitch low and outside and pulled it to left field. A very good job of hitting.

Well, it's gone to extra innings.

(I'm in MD today so I can watch the O's live but not the Sox.)

by RickD on Aug 15, 2007 4:26 PM EDT reply actions

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this is so stressful i can't even watch gameday

Just my two cents. Keep the change.

by tommy.otm on Aug 15, 2007 4:28 PM EDT reply actions

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Wow. Mo Rivera just gave up two doubles.

He really isn't the same pitcher any more.

by RickD on Aug 15, 2007 4:31 PM EDT reply actions

This is going to sound dumb but...

He is & he isn't... he gets himself into jams but then works his way out ( usually). I think need a better bridge to Mariano anyway.

by MassGal on Aug 15, 2007 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions

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mo is leakingggggggggg

We've got TWO Jews on this team, Mel! -- Denis Leary

by SweSox on Aug 15, 2007 4:31 PM EDT reply actions

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mo mo mooooooo

We've got TWO Jews on this team, Mel! -- Denis Leary

by SweSox on Aug 15, 2007 4:34 PM EDT reply actions

Rivera collapsing.

Mo Rivera so far: two doubles, a HR, and a ground out in 4 batters.

Breathing a little easier...

by RickD on Aug 15, 2007 4:34 PM EDT reply actions

Re: Rivera collapsing.

Just bad execution by the Sox --I can only "see" via Gameday but why was Lugo still at 2nd? Did Pedroia even attempt to bunt him over to 3rd?

by MassGal on Aug 15, 2007 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions

Re: Rivera collapsing.

yeah he did, but it fouled when he did and the infield pulled in so bunting was no longer a smart idea

by Realistic on Aug 15, 2007 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions

ugh.

gotta tip my hat to reyes though, he could've fllen apart after lugo's ten-pitch at bat/double, but he hung in there to strike out the side.

Just my two cents. Keep the change.

by tommy.otm on Aug 15, 2007 4:37 PM EDT reply actions

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Way to go manny...

by cblesz @ Over the Monster on Aug 15, 2007 4:40 PM EDT reply actions

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Applauding his double in the 8th, I take it?

by RickD on Aug 15, 2007 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions

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Ugh. Just like that we go from walkoff-y goodness to "Sox can't beat the 7.00 ERA wonder"-ville.

(Look, I know the metaphors are mixed; I'm not trying very hard.}

Has anyone else noticed that the scrub nobody pitchers (Guthrie on Mother's Day, too many other examples that escape me at this point) seem to handcuff the Sox? Kazmir and Lilly aren't that good, but the Sox couldn't seem to hit them. At least there's not many of them in the playoffs, but it's a perpetual source of frustration.

Tony the Pony

by Tony the pony on Aug 15, 2007 5:09 PM EDT reply actions

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According to several posters here, Guthrie was the second coming to Cy Young...

by cblesz @ Over the Monster on Aug 15, 2007 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions

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Too early to call on Guthrie. May be wearing down, I want to say this is the biggest workload he's had in his pro career.

Kazmir needs to be in his own category of the pitchers you listed, btw. He is VERY good.

by Allen Chace on Aug 15, 2007 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions

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And Lilly is sort of like Wake in that he can have a blow out game, but he also has gems here and there. It could be just bad luck that the "gem" seem to happen when we faced him

by Realistic on Aug 15, 2007 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions

just got in

A tough one to lose, but 5 runs should get you home against TB. And whoever suggested that Kazmir is average isn't watching the same 23 year old guy I've been watching. I wish we had this guy, he's great and still really, really young.

by sydneysox on Aug 15, 2007 7:05 PM EDT reply actions

Re: just got in

Umm, that was me. And my bad.

What I was thinking of were earlier seasons where Kazmir was not such a great pitcher, yet always had a lot of success against the Red Sox (I just googled "kazmir era against red sox" and found a bunch of examples---witness this story where his ERA was 4.30 but was 2.64 against Boston). But it was pretty sloppy nonetheless.

Tony the Pony

by Tony the pony on Aug 17, 2007 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions

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Sometimes you just have to tip your hat. I know it was disappointing that the Red Sox lost with the tying run in scoring position but they were down 6 runs going into the 7th. It's hard to be upset over that kind of a performance, especially when the Red Sox don't lose any ground because of it. The Red Sox didn't win, but the magic number still decreased because the Yankees did. So that's a successful day in my mind.

Dirty Water
http://dirty-water-blog.blogspot.com/

by DirtyWater on Aug 16, 2007 4:52 AM EDT reply actions