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Open Thread: 7.12.07 vs. Toronto

Tim Wakefield takes on Roy Halladay tonight in the first game after the All-Star break. Go Sox!

Sox lineup is up:

Drew, rf
Pedroia, 2b
Ortiz, dh
Ramirez, lf
Youkilis, 1b
Lowell, 3b
Crisp, cf
Mirabelli, c
Lugo, ss
Here's a template:
Sox Player of the Game:
Wakefield's Line (IP, H, R, BB, SO):
Above and Beyond:

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Re: OTM predictions for 7/12
Sox Player of the Game: Lowell
Wakefield's Line (IP, H, R, BB, SO): 6.1 IP, 6 H, 4 R, 3 BB, 3 K
Above and Beyond: Lugo increases his hitting streak to 2 games and steals a base; at least 5 extra base hits for the Sox

by RSNexile on Jul 12, 2007 4:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: OTM predictions for 7/12
MassGal's prediction
I'm on my way to class, here are my picks for tonight's game:

Player of the Game: Manny ( provided he made it back from CA)

Wake's Line: 6 IP, 3R 8H 2BB 3K

Above and Beyond: Mirabelli makes a meaningful contribution

Thank Goodness baseball's back...

by RSNexile on Jul 12, 2007 4:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: OTM predictions for 7/12
Player of the Game: Dustin Pedroia

Wake's line: 5.2 IP, 5 R, 9 H, 4 BB

Above and Beyond: Our relief corp gives up no runs

Bottom 9th B:1 S:0 O:0 With Bill Mueller batting, Dave Roberts steals (1) 2nd base.

by britsoxfan on Jul 12, 2007 5:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Open Thread: 7.12.07 vs. Toronto
Sox Player of the Game: Wakefield
Wakefield's Line (IP, H, R, BB, SO): 7.0 IP, 4 H, 2 R, 2 BB, 6 SO
Above and Beyond: No runs allowed by 'pen

by Randy Booth on Jul 12, 2007 5:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Open Thread: 7.12.07 vs. Toronto
POTG: JD Drew
Wake's Line: 6.2 IP, 6 Hits, 3 Runs, 3 BBs, 5 Ks
Above and Beyond: Sox get atleast 2 runs in 3 different innings

by DougieGoingDeep on Jul 12, 2007 5:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Open Thread: 7.12.07 vs. Toronto
Player of the Game: Coco
Wake's line: 6IP 6 H 3 ER 2 BB 4 K
Above and Beyond: The Sox get at least 4 runs off Halladay
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Jul 12, 2007 6:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Open Thread: 7.12.07 vs. Toronto
Sox Player of the Game:  Assorted members of the 'pen.
Wakefield's Line:  6.1 IP, 4 H, 3 ER, 5 BB, 4 SO  
Above and Beyond:  Dougie.  Is going.  Deep.  Tonight.
Tony the Pony

by Tony the pony on Jul 12, 2007 6:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Open Thread: 7.12.07 vs. Toronto
Sox Player of the Game: Manny
Wake's Line: 7.2 IP 8 H 0 BB 4 K
Above and beyond: Manny gets 4 RBI's
"Why not us?"

by reversecursing on Jul 12, 2007 6:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Open Thread: 7.12.07 vs. Toronto
Sox Player of the Game: Crisp
Wakefield's Line (IP, H, R, BB, SO): 6.0Ip, 8H, 3R, 5K
Above and Beyond: Manny and Ortiz both hit dingahs.

by badlydrawnjeff on Jul 12, 2007 6:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Open Thread: 7.12.07 vs. Toronto
Player of the Game: Drew
Wake's line: 6IP 6 H 4 ER 3 BB 4 K
Above and Beyond: Sox win by at least 5 runs

by Tippecanoe on Jul 12, 2007 6:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Stop it
This isn't really a blog where most commenters are casual readers; everyone here sees you all the time, and everyone here knows you're a troll.  
Tony the Pony

by Tony the pony on Jul 12, 2007 7:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Stop it
Seriously dude.  Who the fuck trolls on sports blog anyway? It's one thing to go on Daily Kos or Little Green footballs and have at it, 'cause a least politics matters, but you spend WAY too much time here for someone who isn't really a fan.
You can take the boy outta Boston, but you can't take the Boston outta the boy.

by B Cap on Jul 12, 2007 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Open Thread: 7.12.07 vs. Toronto
Player of the Game: Youkilis
Wakefield's Line: 6IP, 6H, 3ER, 2BB, 3K
Above and Beyond: Both teams homer in the same inning.

by gnick55 on Jul 12, 2007 7:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Open Thread: 7.12.07 vs. Toronto
Sox Player of the Game: Lugo!

[Regge beat]"cause every little thing is gonna be alright..." Hey, why isn't everybody singing along?

Wakefield's Line (IP, H, R, BB, SO): 7IP, 3H, 1R, 2BB, 9Ks

Above and Beyond: Ma man Wake be havin' a sweet go on the rubber...No HRs.  (Sorry I either have a soft spot for Wakefield or I'm just a bastard out to jinx him.)

You can take the boy outta Boston, but you can't take the Boston outta the boy.

by B Cap on Jul 12, 2007 7:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Open Thread: 7.12.07 vs. Toronto
Fuck Wakefield, I'm gonna jinx the outfield instead ('cause Wake really doesn't need my help in that department).  I'm changing my Above and Beyond to: NO Errors by the Red Sox.  
You can take the boy outta Boston, but you can't take the Boston outta the boy.

by B Cap on Jul 12, 2007 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Open Thread: 7.12.07 vs. Toronto
What has happened to Halladay? I used not like the Red Sox to play him, but now he's just terrible.

by gnick55 on Jul 12, 2007 7:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Open Thread: 7.12.07 vs. Toronto
He is having a down year.
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Jul 12, 2007 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Open Thread: 7.12.07 vs. Toronto
The last time he pitched against Boston, his appendix was about to burst and no one knew it. And I'm not sure he's really recovered from his injury from last season, though I'm also not sure why he wouldn't be.

by RSNexile on Jul 12, 2007 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Action in the Toronto pen
And Halladay isn't out of the 2nd.
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Jul 12, 2007 8:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Halladay: 71 pitches through 2
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by Drugs Delaney on Jul 12, 2007 8:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Halladay: 71 pitches through 2
Excellent. It would be great to tire out their bullpen already in the first game of the series.

by RSNexile on Jul 12, 2007 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice
Lugo a hard single on a two strike pitch.
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Jul 12, 2007 8:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Nice
That's five hits in a row for him.

by RSNexile on Jul 12, 2007 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd be nice to see him turn the corner
And be productive in the second half.
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Jul 12, 2007 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: I'd be nice to see him turn the corner
I've been saying for a few weeks now that part of the problem is that he's been ridiculously unlucky. If his BABIP was at his career average instead of 100 points below it, he'd be hitting .280 and everyone would be pleased.

by RSNexile on Jul 12, 2007 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He has been unlucky
He has also looked lost at times
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Jul 12, 2007 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: He has been unlucky
When you're that unlucky, it's easy to lose confidence.

by RSNexile on Jul 12, 2007 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

True
... amd he has looked better of late (so have Drew and Coco).
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Jul 12, 2007 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: True
Which is why I'm not worried, provided we don't have another injury meltdown like last year.

Of course, Lugo could hardly have looked worse...

by RSNexile on Jul 12, 2007 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed
Injuries are my only worry.  I'd love to see the Sox get rid of Wily Mo ang get a legit 4th OF.  The bench, aside from Cora, doesn't thrill me.
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Jul 12, 2007 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Agreed
For a while, I wondered if the Rockies might take Lowell and WMP for Helton. Now I'm sure they wouldn't, and I'm not sure I'd want to trade Lowell anyway.

WMP is a failed experiment at this point, but I think I'd be comfortable with Ellsbury as the fourth OF at this point. The problem is that he really needs to play every day right now.

by RSNexile on Jul 12, 2007 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Agreed
I just realized how redundant that was. I clearly haven't been getting enough sleep -- grad school sucks!  :)

by RSNexile on Jul 12, 2007 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ellsbury's speed and glove
Would definitely be an asset in the post-season.  But, as you said, he need to be in the minors right now so he can get playing time.
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Jul 12, 2007 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: I'd be nice to see him turn the corner
You have been saying that, and on the A-Rod thread I just replied that it can't be luck, because he's just not hitting the ball hard, everything's a soft grounder etc., instead of spectacularly unfortunate flyouts etc.  

So, erm, you got any salt for this crow I gotta eat now?  

Tony the Pony

by Tony the pony on Jul 12, 2007 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: I'd be nice to see him turn the corner
Well, as I said, it's part of the problem. It's not the entire problem.

I think most of what's left, though, can be attributed to lousy coaching. A decent hitting coach should have been able to help him get his ground ball/line drive/fly ball mix back where it should be.

by RSNexile on Jul 12, 2007 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Manny throws out Thomas
What was Frank Thomas thinking.  Ortiz and Lowell in a three-legged race are faster then the Big Hurt!
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Jul 12, 2007 8:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Open Thread: 7.12.07 vs. Toronto
Ok, that was bad. Anyone up in the bullpen yet?

by RSNexile on Jul 12, 2007 8:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

MDC
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Jul 12, 2007 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: MDC
Well, thank goodness for small favors. MDC can pitch the seventh, Oki the eighth, and Paps the ninth and we should be fine.

by RSNexile on Jul 12, 2007 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd like another run or two
Halladay is out.
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Jul 12, 2007 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: I'd like another run or two
Or five. The Sox need four more XBH's to fill my pre-game prediction.

by RSNexile on Jul 12, 2007 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did Remy ...
Just call Sam Horn a "former Red Sox great"?
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Jul 12, 2007 8:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Open Thread: 7.12.07 vs. Toronto
Heroic effort by Halladay after those first two innings to get this deep into the game. It would have been huge if we could have forced their bullpen to go five innings tonight.

by RSNexile on Jul 12, 2007 8:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That's why he is a great pitcher
He had nothing and battled.
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by Drugs Delaney on Jul 12, 2007 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Open Thread: 7.12.07 vs. Toronto
That's what I love about Pedroia. Eight pitches for an infield single -- opposing pitchers hate that!

by RSNexile on Jul 12, 2007 9:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

There's one back!
Papi smoked that ball to dead center!
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by Drugs Delaney on Jul 12, 2007 9:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: There's one back!
He's not going to hit 30 HR this year, but as long as he keeps doing that, it won't matter!

by RSNexile on Jul 12, 2007 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed
But I think he has an outside chance at 30.
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Jul 12, 2007 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Agreed
Not if his knee really needs surgery. I've had injuries like that -- if you're a power hitting baseball player, they sap most of your power. He'll need more days off than we normally see just to maintain his current pace without doing more damage to the knee.

by RSNexile on Jul 12, 2007 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Agreed
From what I heard, the knee doesn't bother him all the time.  During the season, you never really know how hurt a player is.
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Jul 12, 2007 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Agreed
That's how knee injuries work, though. If it's not bad enough to debilitate you, you'll feel fine most days, but if you push it much, it'll feel like someone smacked you with a hammer. The good news is that if he doesn't hurt it any worse, he can get scoped in November after we win the Series and be good as new by spring training.

by RSNexile on Jul 12, 2007 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Another hard hit ball
Manny hit one hard off Hill's glove, 7-5.
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by Drugs Delaney on Jul 12, 2007 9:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Whoops ... I mean 7-4
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by Drugs Delaney on Jul 12, 2007 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Open Thread: 7.12.07 vs. Toronto
Perfect seventh for MDC. If he can do that consistently, we have the most dangerous bullpen in the majors right now.

by RSNexile on Jul 12, 2007 9:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree
as long as Oki continues to pitch well.
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Jul 12, 2007 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: I agree
Right now, I'm wondering if Oki should be our closer next year, with Paps moving to the rotation. He certainly seems like he could handle the job.

by RSNexile on Jul 12, 2007 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd love to see Paps in the rotation
Starters are much more valuable, but I'm not sure yet about Oki as closer.  He has been great so far.  I'd like to see what he does in the 2nd half ... and beyond.
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Jul 12, 2007 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: I'd love to see Paps in the rotation
He's done well in that role when Paps has been unavailable, but you're right. The true test will be how he performs in the second half.

by RSNexile on Jul 12, 2007 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice 1-2-3 inning by MDC
Oki warming ...
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by Drugs Delaney on Jul 12, 2007 9:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Was he?
He was arguing a close play at first.  He was out there a while.  I wasn't really paying attention, though.  
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Jul 12, 2007 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Was he?
Yes, he was ejected before the inning started.

by RSNexile on Jul 12, 2007 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Was he?
I gues he said something the ump didn't like.  Gibbons is a hothead.
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by Drugs Delaney on Jul 12, 2007 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Was he?
That he is. I can only assume it was the error on McDonald; there doesn't seem to be anything else he'd be arguing about at this point.

by RSNexile on Jul 12, 2007 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Was he?
Yeah.  The throw was high and Overbay thought he got Lugo.  I thought Lugo might have been out also, but it was close.
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by Drugs Delaney on Jul 12, 2007 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Was he?
Eh. It's not like it ended up mattering anyway.

by RSNexile on Jul 12, 2007 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Open Thread: 7.12.07 vs. Toronto
Could have been worse, though. Oki hasn't been wicked sharp the past month or so, but he has still kept opponents off the board for the most part.

by Randy Booth on Jul 12, 2007 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Open Thread: 7.12.07 vs. Toronto
True. And that's all that really matters anyway.

by RSNexile on Jul 12, 2007 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Open Thread: 7.12.07 vs. Toronto
Scoreless inning by the Okster. He gave up a 0-2 single to Glaus and a double to Rios, but the inning wasn't too bad.

Paps for the 9th (if it's still 7-4) :)

by Randy Booth on Jul 12, 2007 9:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Two hard hit balls.
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Jul 12, 2007 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Crap
Papi fouled one off his bad knee ...
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by Drugs Delaney on Jul 12, 2007 9:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Is it me ...
Or does Paps look a bit uncomfortable with Belli behind the plate?  
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Jul 12, 2007 10:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Watching on GameDay....
... has the Ghoul Face been replaced with an Eeyore Face?

Anyway, two Pap-smears makes him look pretty comfortable from my computer screen.  

Tony the Pony

by Tony the pony on Jul 12, 2007 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Is it me ...
The game's not on here, but given Belli's utter lack of ability, I'm not sure why anyone is comfortable with him behind the plate. But Paps still got the job done, and that's all that matters.

by RSNexile on Jul 12, 2007 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Is it me ...
Paps stepped off a couple of times and took a bit of time between pitches, etc.  Beer Belly came to the mound ... but it all worked out in the end.
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by Drugs Delaney on Jul 12, 2007 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Is it me ...
I don't think it's 'Belli. Paps basically knows what he's going to do pitch to pitch, anyway.

by Randy Booth on Jul 12, 2007 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Open Thread: 7.12.07 vs. Toronto
MFY won too, so they're a game up on Toronto and we still have a 10 game lead.

by RSNexile on Jul 12, 2007 10:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

While I love watching the MFY lose
If the Sox play well, the Yanks have no shot at the division.  Hey, if Boston is only 6 games over .500 in the second half, the MFY have to play .690 ball just to catch them.  
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Jul 12, 2007 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Some fun back of the envelope math
The Sox have 74 games left.  If they play .600 ball the rest of the season (and remember they started out playing .700), the Skankees would have to play .725 the rest of the way to win 55 of their remaining 76 and tie the Sox' theoretical 98-64 season.  

Also, .600 the rest of the way seems really reachable, as the Sox are .614 on the season.  With 435 runs scored and 346 runs allowed, their pythagorean is roughly 190K / (190K + 120K), or .613---or very close to what their actual record is.  That's good enough for 99/100 wins on the season, which the Yankees could only match with a second-half pace of .737 (56-20).  The Yanks' pythagorean, by the way, is about .550, predicting a 42-34 second half.  

Knocking wood, of course.  

Tony the Pony

by Tony the pony on Jul 12, 2007 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Some fun back of the envelope math
Now that's a nice envelope, Tony!
Bottom 9th B:1 S:0 O:0 With Bill Mueller batting, Dave Roberts steals (1) 2nd base.

by britsoxfan on Jul 13, 2007 3:38 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: While I love watching the MFY lose
Almost as good, we have a bigger lead on the second place team in our division -- the MFY -- than any other division leader in the majors has over the third place team in their division. And with the exception of the AL Central, it's even a bigger lead than any other division leader has over the fourth place team in their division.

That's impressive!

Now, granted, the MFY stink this year, but they have a very weak schedule the rest of the way and they played better than their record would indicate so far. I think .600 ball is attainable for them the rest of the way. Call that 46 more wins the rest of the way, which would leave them with 89 wins. Boston would only need 26 more wins to win the division -- that's a .351 winning percentage the rest of the way. That's why I don't want Theo to be too hasty making trades -- it's damn near impossible for us to miss the playoffs at this point, so we ought to be able to get our key players a lot of rest down the stretch. That way they'll be healthy for the playoffs and we won't have to part with any prized prospects.

Of course, if someone offers Theo a great deal -- think Pujols or Cabrera for, say, David Murphy -- he should take it. It's just that when you acquire a star player in a deadline deal, you usually end up giving away prospects who could end up being just as good as or better than (collectively, at least) the star you acquire, just for the uncertain proposition of winning now. This year, we can afford to insist on giving away a little bit less if any deals are made.

If this team is healthy in October, any opponent is going to have to be extraordinarily hot and lucky to win a playoff series.

by RSNexile on Jul 13, 2007 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: While I love watching the MFY lose
Whoops -- Texas, too. I forget sometimes that the AL West is weird -- only four teams.

by RSNexile on Jul 13, 2007 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Open Thread: 7.12.07 vs. Toronto
I've had a look! It's one of the worst websites I've ever seen! Thanks, though!
Bottom 9th B:1 S:0 O:0 With Bill Mueller batting, Dave Roberts steals (1) 2nd base.

by britsoxfan on Jul 13, 2007 3:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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