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Congress may subpoena Clemens

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The ripples of the Mitchell Report are spreading. The Players Association agreed to meet with Major League Baseball to begin negotiations about re-opening the collective-bargaining agreement to include recommendations from former Sen. George Mitchell. Meanwhile, several congressmen said yesterday they'd like to hear what Roger Clemens has to say about his name appearing in the Mitchell Report. "I think Roger Clemens might have some interesting explaining to do," said Rep. Mark Souder (R-Ind.). He may get that chance at congressional hearings next month and it is possible players will be subpoenaed.

I hope this is true. It's debatable whether congress should be spending its valuable(?) time worrying about baseball when there are infinitely more significant crises in the world, but baseball is ingrained into American culture and today's adults must demonstrate to kids that people are held accountable for wrongdoings. Allowing high-profile sports stars to weasel out with mealy-mouth responses sends the wrong message.

Hell, Pete Rose was banned for life on ethical grounds because of gambling. He wasn't even banned for cheating.

Thoughts?

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Re: Congress may subpoena Clemens
I am for anything that is aimed to improve baseball. Getting the truth (hopefully) out of these players would do that.

I called this whole thing a "Baseball Revolution," and I think it's pretty accurate...

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by Randy Booth on Dec 19, 2007 1:42 PM EST reply actions  

Re: Congress may subpoena Clemens
If they really want to bring about a revolution, they need to make a couple changes:

1) Rename the Mitchell Commission.
 This one's obvious. How can the commission move into a glorious future if it still clings to its liberal bourgeois appellation? I propose a new title - the Baseball Liberation Tribunal (BLT).

2) Eliminate the oppressor class.
 The BLT, having mustard the working class, would assalt the owners, and cast them out of the sport with relish. It would then garnish the wages of the baseball operations staff, who are the gendarmerie of the ownership.

3) Give the workers control of the means of production.
 In this case the players would control the teams. Rather than compete against one another in injurious and pointless conflict, the players would be free to pursue whatever they wished to do. Manny could philosophize, Papelbon could Riverdance, and Tavarez could beat the crap out of people. The end of competition would eliminate the desire for steroids and other PEDs. It would also lower demand for tickets, artificially inflated by playoff races and other bourgeois delusions. Fans would no longer have to kill each other for parking, wait in long lines, or pay fortunes to visit a park.

Players of the sport, unite! You have nothing to lose but your million-dollar contracts!

by 0157H7 on Dec 19, 2007 3:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Re: Congress may subpoena Clemens
I think we've just borne witness to baseball devolving into "dudes hanging out."

Let's rename the league "No Ma'am" and be done with it. ;)

Kudos to those of you who get the reference.

"You know you're having a bad day when the fifth inning rolls around and they drag the warning track." - Mike Flanagan, Baltimore Orioles pitcher, 1992.

by SoxDevil on Dec 20, 2007 10:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Re: Congress may subpoena Clemens
I would love it if he was subpoenaed, and then after his Palmerio-like harsh denial had to 180 (especially if Bonds gets convicted for lying under oath, no way Clemens would risk lying then) and is like "Well, okay, 'technically', yes i did steriods"

by Realistic on Dec 19, 2007 1:51 PM EST reply actions  

Re: Congress may subpoena Clemens
This will get ugly.  Personally, I am getting sick and tired of hearing the other players in the report try and spin their cheating into one of these answers:
  1. I was injured and used the illegal substance to get back.  Cheating.
  2. I only used it once.  Cheating.
  3. I did not want to let my teammates down.  Cheating.

by SoxAcumen on Dec 19, 2007 3:52 PM EST reply actions  

Re: Congress may subpoena Clemens
I must have missed it. Who said they didn't want to let their teammates down?
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by Randy Booth on Dec 19, 2007 4:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Re: Congress may subpoena Clemens
Pettitte. But they again he hit all three

by Realistic on Dec 19, 2007 4:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Here's a thought:
Why not re-name the Mitchell Commission the House Un-American Activities Committee? I, for one, would love to see the athletes forced to name names to avoid jail time. If we're lucky, it leads to a great new blacklisting era.

Or, on the other hand, we could stop ratcheting up a no-win situation. Selig could man up and make a plea before Congree to let him clean his own house. We could take Mitchell's recommendation that none of the alleged roiders be punished. And we could move forward.

My two cents.

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by LateInningRelief on Dec 19, 2007 5:31 PM EST reply actions  

Re: Here's a thought:
Independent, Olympic-style testing. That's what it'll take.
"You know you're having a bad day when the fifth inning rolls around and they drag the warning track." - Mike Flanagan, Baltimore Orioles pitcher, 1992.

by SoxDevil on Dec 20, 2007 10:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Re: Here's a thought:
Yep, I agree, if the MLB players and owners want to solve this problem, get the Olympic people on the phone and start testing like they do for Olympic athletes.

by SoxAcumen on Dec 20, 2007 10:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Re: Congress may subpoena Clemens
if steroids were not illegal in baseball until 2002 and hgh 2005 who cares? to me it was o.k. after that time it is illegal. the tax loophole that saved you money for years was fixed and you dont do it anymore are you still a tax cheat because you took advantage earlier? mmmmmmmm.............
the difference between a yankee stadium hot dog and a fenway frank is that they dont sell yankee dogs in november anymore.

by fishfarmr on Dec 19, 2007 6:01 PM EST reply actions  

Re: Congress may subpoena Clemens
Steroids and HGH are illegal to own.  Baseball players are not exempt from the federal and state laws.

Whether the MLBPA got around to letting their players be tested is irrelevant.

by SoxAcumen on Dec 20, 2007 12:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Re: Congress may subpoena Clemens
so then this should purely be a legal issue. Also, all the guys that take Hgh can and do have perscriptions. does that muck up your thinking or not?
the difference between a yankee stadium hot dog and a fenway frank is that they dont sell yankee dogs in november anymore.

by fishfarmr on Dec 20, 2007 8:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Re: Congress may subpoena Clemens
My problem is with the MLBPA hiding behind baseball claiming they do not have to police there own bc of the excuse "It was not illegal in MLB since XXXX".  

Ok, sure i hear ya, but it was illegal in the USA so what is your point MLBPA?  Its the same argument used by the NFLPA for Marijuana use.  

As for prescriptions.  IF they are valid from a Doctor, not some Dentist working out of a truck, then I have no problem with the use of HGH, but how many people not named Paul Byrd really has legit reason to take HGH.

Olympic testing, next year, everyone in the league, 1 strike and you are banned from baseball is the only way to solve the problem.

by SoxAcumen on Dec 20, 2007 10:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Re: Congress may subpoena Clemens
byrd and many others stuff came from a clinic in boca. his so called pitutary problem is same as every one else. after 30 it stops producing hgh. so that clinic says you have a problem and will prescribe.they call it hormone replacement therapy. I am 39 and I did call them up and  they will write me one, that easy.  rich people have been using hgh for years to lose weight, look younger and the recovery and energy factor. they now have a pill that is all natural that gets your body to produce its own hgh. they say it is 50% as effective as injections. so, you cant test for hgh, and now you dont need a script or buy it illegally. so this "problem" will never go away.check out the site where the players all went.

http://www.pbrcenter.com/hrt.htm

the difference between a yankee stadium hot dog and a fenway frank is that they dont sell yankee dogs in november anymore.

by fishfarmr on Dec 21, 2007 8:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Re: Congress may subpoena Clemens
you might be correct Fish, but why not institute Olympic testing and then people will at least say the MLBPA and the owners are doing the maximum to try and stop the cheating.

by SoxAcumen on Dec 21, 2007 2:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Re: Congress may subpoena Clemens
i agree. or at least an NFL style one. guys get popped over there and no one seems to care.
the difference between a yankee stadium hot dog and a fenway frank is that they dont sell yankee dogs in november anymore.

by fishfarmr on Dec 21, 2007 10:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Re: Congress may subpoena Clemens
quick question - do we owe dan duquette an apology, I mean the guy got roasted because he thought clemens was done and then he was a stud. now that we know why does dan deserve some slack?
the difference between a yankee stadium hot dog and a fenway frank is that they dont sell yankee dogs in november anymore.

by fishfarmr on Dec 19, 2007 6:06 PM EST reply actions  

Re: Congress may subpoena Clemens
Love for DD.
Bottom 9th B:1 S:0 O:0 With Bill Mueller batting, Dave Roberts steals (1) 2nd base.

by britsoxfan on Dec 20, 2007 3:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Re: Congress may subpoena Clemens
If Duquette didn't have the charisma of a toadstool Bostonians might actually remember him a positive light.
"You know you're having a bad day when the fifth inning rolls around and they drag the warning track." - Mike Flanagan, Baltimore Orioles pitcher, 1992.

by SoxDevil on Dec 20, 2007 10:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Re: Congress may subpoena Clemens
I wasn't just charisma.  The Duke had no "people" skills and treated everyone like sh*t.  
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Dec 21, 2007 6:07 PM EST up reply actions  

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