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How about a pro-Manny diary!

Some things to keep in mind:

- Before Manny Ramirez came to the Red Sox, we had essentially no power hitting at all.  All we had was Nomar, who isn't really a classic power hitter.  And that's how it had been since Mo Vaughn left.

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  • Without Manny behind him to protect him, David Ortiz will be walked 200 times next year.  And that's only if he stays patient.  At times this season he got tired of being walked and started swinging at bad pitches.  Then BBs became Ks.
  • Manny Ramirez has been the best hitter in the AL for the past decade.  Only ARod has been close.  
  • Unlike ARod, Manny hits good pitching as well as bad.  And he excels in the postseason.
  • And BTW, he's the only World Series MVP in Red Sox history.
  • I've posted the numbers before:

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/r/ramirma02.shtml

    And yes, those numbers mean something.  They measure his contribution to the team over a long period of time.  They are more valuable than anecdotes, which seem to be the favored mode of argumentation for the anti-Manny crowd.  But there are plenty of anecdotes, too.  

    Rember the 5-game sweep to the Yankees that killed the season?  Manny showed up then.
    Game 1: 1/2 1 HR 1 R 1 RBI 2 walks
    Game 2: 4/6 1 R 2 RBI (double header)
    Game 3: 1/1 1 HR 1 R 3 RBI 3 walks (double header)
    Game 4: 2/2 1 RBI 3 walks
    Game 5: 0/0 with 2 walks before being lifted

    So here's the deal.  You talk about getting rid of Manny, you do so, but convince me that the player you're bringing in will be able to go 8/11 with 2 HRs and 10 walks in a 5-game series against the Yankees.  And, BTW, all those walks to Manny?  If Manny's gone, they're all going Ortiz's way.  

    So, please, spare all the "Manny cannot play through pain" stuff.  As has been pointed out many times, Manny has played more games for the Red Sox in the past five years than anybody else.  Unless you are either Manny Ramirez or his doctor, you don't know whether he's in pain or not.  Shaughnessy in particular made an ass of himself by declaring Manny a faker before the extent of the injury was known.  But now it's no longer that he's faking - Shaughnessy and Edes have been forced to concede the point that the injury is real.  So they are backing off to "he won't play in pain".  

    Guys, Manny was there for the games that counted.  See above.  And he was the best player for the Red Sox while the pitching staff was being tattooed by the Yankees.  

    What's really going on here is that Manny Ramirez doesn't get along with the press.  That's hardly unprecedented in Boston.  Manny is simply walking down the path taken by Jim Rice and Ted Williams before him.  (And, curiously enough, and with all due respect to Yaz, they are the best three hitters the Red Sox have ever had.)

    The Boston media think it's all about them.  So when a player shuts them out, the way Manny did, the Shaughnessys and Edes of the world silently seethe and wait to see if they can get revenge somehow.  So, when Manny gets a serious injury for the first time in five years, and only the second in his career, we are alternatively told that he's faking or that he should be playing through pain like a tough guy.  But what's really going on is something personal.    

    What the Red Sox really need to do is build a team, not to further the process of taking apart the 2004 champions.  

    Final thought: do you want to see Manny Ramirez on the Yankees?  I don't.  

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    I couldn't agree more
    Thanks for setting the record straight, RickD.
    I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

    by Drugs Delaney on Sep 25, 2006 7:06 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

    Re: How about a pro-Manny diary!
    We also haven't talked at all about Manny's savvy play in the field. He may not have plus range, but he plays the Monster like no one else. More to the point, he plays mind games with the baserunners, faking that he's having a hard time getting the ball out of his glove, a "stumble," or some other machination to get the runner to try for an extra bag. Then, Manny guns him down with a laserbeam. His arm is terrific and accurate.

    I think the media ought to be made to kiss Manny's bat, glove, and apologize.

    "You know you're having a bad day when the fifth inning rolls around and they drag the warning track." - Mike Flanagan, Baltimore Orioles pitcher, 1992.

    by SoxDevil on Sep 25, 2006 9:31 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

    Re: How about a pro-Manny diary!
    BTW, I really hate Shaughnessy, I read his articles and he would actually have me believing his crap if not for that fact that I personally witnessed which ever game he refers to and know that he is speculating and exaggerating really simple stuff.

    by Realistic on Sep 25, 2006 9:44 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

    Re: How about a pro-Manny diary!
    Thanks!  We all needed that.
    Tony the Pony

    by Tony the pony on Sep 25, 2006 12:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

    Re: How about a pro-Manny diary!
    If you watched the 2004 season at all you would have seen that chemistry is a big ingredient in winning a World Championship and Manny asks to be traded which ruins chemistry.
    Yankees Choke

    by youcantake2004 on Sep 26, 2006 8:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

    Manny was part of the 2004 team ...
    and the questions of whether or not he wants to stay in Boston surface every year.  I think it's a moot point.

    But, if chemistry matters as much as you say it does, why let Johnny Damon go--or, Pedro, OC, etc.?

    I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

    by Drugs Delaney on Sep 26, 2006 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

    Re: How about a pro-Manny diary!
    Manny's teammates don't think he ruins the "chemistry".

    It's hard to reconcile this comment with Manny's World Series MVP.  I mean, seriously, how can you make a comment like this with a straight face?

    Manny Ramirez has always been a winner and has always produced in the postseason.  

    Why does Manny ask to be traded every winter?  I don't know.  Why does the Boston media treat him so poorly?  I expect the two things are related to each other.  It's like I said before: there's no way the Sox are going to get an equal player in the trade.  It's not just that there are so few equal players, it's also that Manny has one of the few enormous contracts out there.  After the 2004 season the Sox put him on waivers and there were no takers.  Any team could have picked up hiw $20 million/year contract -for free!- and nobody wanted it.  I'm guessing that the only way the Sox could trade Manny is if they paid part of their contract themselves, or if they picked up an equally large contract in return.  Neither option seems reasonable.  

    At some point, I think the Sox management has to look at the facts here.  Either they take 40 cents/dollar for a trade (as Bill Simmons puts it) or they sit back and realize they have Manny for at least one more season.  Given that they'll have him in town, why not step in and try to smooth over the difficulties he has with the media?  Sometiems you get the feeling that the FO is involved in sabotaging the reputations of their own players.  (That was certainly the case when Mo Vaughn was around.)  The FO has a lot of power in this situation, and they seem content to not exercise it.  

    That's a bit sad.

    by RickD on Sep 28, 2006 8:02 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

    Re: How about a pro-Manny diary!
    I agree with that last comment ... the FO should do more to defend its players when they get bad press.  When an article like the one Gordon Edes wrote comes out, someone from the FO should come forward and say something like, Manny's not faking, he really is injured, leave the guy alone.  Unless, of course, they agree with the article, which their silence seems to indicate.

    The other thing the FO will be wrestling with this year is the very real possibility that even if Manny stays, he'll be a free agent at the end of the year and potentially a NY Yankee.  (I suppose if Damon could cut his hair, maybe Manny could?)  That's not a good scenario, and they may be looking even harder at a trade to foreclose that possibility.

    by BlowUp on Sep 28, 2006 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

    Re: How about a pro-Manny diary!
    The FO definitely isn't perfect, but they are much better then the last owner/FO. You're right, that FO treated Mo like s*** and were more responsible for Mo leaving then the media was. At least this FO has once in a while defended the players (Henry addressed the media last season saying that leaks and speculations based on leaks absolutely had to stop), but they easily could be doing more (reiterating what BlowUp just said, I have to wonder if Francona does think Manny is faking or if he's just stop caring about the season because if you watch the press conferences he's usually pretty good about ripping the media apart for making speculations)

    I think the media hates Manny for two reasons (neither which are justifiable reason by any means) 1. Their jobs are to get quotes/interviews/etc. and simply put Manny won't talk to then (can't blame him) 2. Every off-season he asks for a trade it's always the same reason, the media, I could see these writers get really defensive ever time them hear this and it's a self-fulfilling process, they look for any reason to write negatively about him (imagen if you were personally responsibly for one of the greatest hitters shipping town, it's like when someone calls you out on something your wrong about, either you realize and admitt your wrong and do the right thing and take the blame/apologize/etc., or you get real defensive and come up with more arguements even if you realize you are wrong....problem is that there are a couple writers like Shaunessy you are constantly the later type)

    by Realistic on Sep 28, 2006 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

    Re: How about a pro-Manny diary!
    While Manny obviously has no love of the Boston Sports Media, I think it bothers him more that his personal life is compromised by his own celebrity. It doesn't help that he lives in the middle of the Hub, downtown Boston, where every sports-loving Bostonian can recognize him at 100 yards.

    If Manny moved to the affluent 'burbs I think he'd be substantially happier. The residents would leave him alone.

    "You know you're having a bad day when the fifth inning rolls around and they drag the warning track." - Mike Flanagan, Baltimore Orioles pitcher, 1992.

    by SoxDevil on Sep 29, 2006 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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