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Zito signs with Giants

Barry Zito and agent Scott Boras finally decided to join the San Francisco Giants. Zito will replace Jason Schmidt as the ace of the Giants.

Zito will earn $126 million over seven years, exactly $18 million a year. There is a club option for an eighth year, barring requirements.

This means that Zito moves to the National League and not into the New York Yankees rotation, which was rumored. I expect Zito's numbers to increase greatly now that he's facing a pitcher every 9th time in the lineup. He's an early candidate for NL Cy Young, in my opinion.

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New York State of Mind
Apparently the Yankees never even made a formal offer, so it's hard to believe that those rumors were ever more than whispered confabulations!  Then again, when a Boras star hits the open market you can certainly bank on him trying to get the New York teams (and those in Texas) involved in order to drive up the overall price and length of the contract.  

Pitching in the soft hitting NL West (with the exception of playing the Rockies, especially in Coors' Field) I definitely foresee success for Zito.  His best asset has been his durability, so the length of the contract doesn't bother me as much as the money.  I can't believe that the Giants just commited $18M per year to a pseudo-ace.  This offseason just found a way to get worse; the payroll hangover from this spending spree will be killing several teams well before the turn of the decade.  

by ejruiz @ Over the Monster on Dec 28, 2006 2:20 PM EST reply actions  

Re: New York State of Mind
The Rockies keep their baseballs in a humidor now. Since they started doing that, home runs are way down.

by RSNexile on Dec 28, 2006 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Re: Zito signs with Giants
Wow. Even higher than the most inflated prediction. What were we expecting? Something like $75m/5? I suppose in the context of some of the crappy contracts around this off-season, it's not so surprising. But that's a very high amount for a very long time.

See what our counterparts here think about it.

Vote for Pedroia

by britsoxfan on Dec 28, 2006 2:24 PM EST reply actions  

Re: Zito signs with Giants
Surprised that most of them are happy with this deal.  18 mill for Zito is crazy.  I'm just happy they Yanks didn't get him.

by ReLaunch on Dec 28, 2006 2:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Re: Zito signs with Giants
I suppose I would be guardedly pleased in their shoes. Money's only money after all... and he does improve their rotation considerably.
Vote for Pedroia

by britsoxfan on Dec 28, 2006 2:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Re: Zito signs with Giants
I do beleive contracts like this though are bad for baseball.  These are the same contracts that teams will be trying to dump in 3-4 years.

by ReLaunch on Dec 28, 2006 6:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Re: Zito signs with Giants
I agree with you. A lot of these contracts are going to come back to haunt teams a couple years down the line. Most of all deals like Gil Meche, Gary Matthew Jr. and Carlos Lee. I'm just glad the Sox haven't made any ridiculus deals.. as of yet.

I still think that 70 mil over 5 years (14mil per year) is too much, but those talks have apparently stalled for now.

by bmoseley07 on Dec 28, 2006 11:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Re: Zito signs with Giants
I think 70 over 5 is reasonable if it's an incentive laden 70 over 5 -- say, 30 guaranteed and the remaining 8/year dependent on games played.

If Drew's shoulder is as bad as it seems, he ought to be willing to take an incentive laden deal, though I doubt he'd agree to a deal that favors incentives quite so heavily.

by RSNexile on Dec 29, 2006 2:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Re: Zito signs with Giants
Maybe. Or maybe the market is simply able to bear contracts like this now for a #1/#2 pitcher.

Major League Baseball is making more money than ever before. It's phenomenally successful in that regard. The big clubs are getting richer, and are smarter than ever at searching out other methods of revenue (the Red Sox, for example, can keep all the money from events held at Fenway. NESN is a cash cow). Small market clubs are growing fat because of revenue sharing. You're financially rewarded in this setup whether you're a successful team or not.

Vote for Pedroia

by britsoxfan on Dec 29, 2006 4:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Re: Zito signs with Giants
This is the same situation that happened after the 00 season when all those mega contracts were given out (Arod, Manny, Brown, etc).  Everyone of those teams have tried to dump those players.  I don't believe we are at the point where it is okay for a #1 pitcher to be making 18.  Point is, Zito isn't even a #1.  Hell, I love Andy Pettitte but the Yanks gave him way too much.

by ReLaunch on Dec 29, 2006 10:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Re: Zito signs with Giants
The labels are basically meaningless anyway as far as 'ace', but if Matt Cain is not the best SP on the Giants next season, Zito certainly included, "I will stick any foreign object you care to name...inside myself."

I never feel like Zito has the ace mentality.  Take, for example, our good friend Curt Schilling.  Against Johan Santana/Roy Halladay, Zito seems perfectly aware that he's overmatched.  He doesn't pitch scared, but he doesn't seem to have that 'alpha-dog' mentality.  Curt Schilling is overmatched pitching-wise against Santana, but doesn't believe that he is.

As far as the deal itself...I simply repeated it to myself over and over today.  Barry Zito got $18M/yr.  Barry Zito got $18M/yr.  I have a friend who is left-handed, pitches every 4 or 5 days or so(when it's warm out, anyway), and has a pulse.  He's a musician.  I think he might be in the wrong field.

Kudos to the Giants, because on paper, Cain-Zito-Morris-Lowry-Linecum/Sanchez/Whatever looks better than what they had before.  But then again, Meche-Whatever-Whatever-Whatever-Whatever looks better than what the Royals had before.  Doesn't mean they're division front-runners or anything.  Though in the NL West, that may end up being the case.

"Sorry? Sorry doesn't cut it Melissa, I want an apology."-Jason Penopolis, Home Movies

by Allen Chace on Dec 29, 2006 3:42 AM EST reply actions  

Re: Zito signs with Giants
Everyone is saying that the Giants have a better rotation now with Zito, but we've got to remember that their ace last year was Jason Schmidt; one of the best pitchers in the NL. So compared to their 2006 team, the rotation probably isn't much better. Zito will have the advantage because he's facing batters who are unfamiliar with his stuff, but Schmidt was a proven success in San Fran. It should be interesting who has a better year.

by Randy Booth on Dec 29, 2006 12:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Re: Zito signs with Giants
Certainly agreed, Zito is not > Schmidt pitching-wise.  I think Zito's durability and relative youth appealed to the Giants.  

The other thing that I think will make their rotation slightly better than last season has nothing to do with Zito.  I think Matt Cain is potentially an absolute beast of a SP.  I think Noah Lowry will rebound to at least a small degree.  Matt Morris...there's almost nowhere to go but up after his "peformance" last season.  Among Hennessey, Sanchez, Linecum maybe, though now I realize that'd be pushing it quite a bit re: development, they should find an average-better than average 5th starter.  

"Sorry? Sorry doesn't cut it Melissa, I want an apology."-Jason Penopolis, Home Movies

by Allen Chace on Dec 29, 2006 11:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Re: Zito signs with Giants
Is it my imagination or have the Yanks lost there touch.  There was a time when what ever the Yanks wanted they got.....Dice K no go....Zito no go....Cashman seeems to have been Cashed out.

by windycitysauxfan44 on Dec 29, 2006 12:23 PM EST reply actions  

Re: Zito signs with Giants
Its actually called spending your money more wisely.  He did the right thing not bidding for Zito.  Dice K is someone the Yanks wanted badly, but no one in baseball expected a 51 million bid.  The Yanks bid of 32 I thought actually was too high until I heard what the Sox and Mets offered.  Cashman has more control of the moves.  Before, if George wanted someone, he would get him.  Not so much anymore.

by ReLaunch on Dec 29, 2006 1:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Re: Zito signs with Giants
Spending your money wisely.....Oh you mean how they did with K-ROD Mr. Spring Training.  Like they did on Carl I'm hurt again Pavano.  And now they are trying to bring back the old Yanks...It won't belong before Joe G. is coming down from the Broadcast Booth.  Cashman is trying to be like Theo.......

by windycitysauxfan44 on Dec 29, 2006 1:54 PM EST reply actions  

Re: Zito signs with Giants
You just said why isn't he spending now.  Not the past.  Yes, those contracts you mentioned above were awful (although the Arod contract isn't his).  Actually, if he were like Theo, Cashman would have said he doesn't have the resources the Yankees do and then proceed to spend almost $200 million this offseason.

by ReLaunch on Dec 29, 2006 7:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Re: Zito signs with Giants
Well put.

But back to the Zito subject; I agree that he was grossly overpaid, but I still project nothing but success for him in 2007.

Last year he was
16-10, 3.83 ERA in 34 appearences, throwing 221.0 IP, with 99 BB and 151 K

This year he will be in a weaker division in a weaker league throwing in a pitcher's park.  His run support will suffer slightly (the A's scored 771, while the Giants scored 746), but putting up those numbers in the AL is impressive.  He may not have Ace-like poise, but he will put up Ace-like numbers for the Giants.

by Schulz on Dec 31, 2006 2:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Re: Zito signs with Giants
I said it before and I will say it again, the Zito deal is bad for baseball.  When not even an ace is making 18million a year for 7 years, that will grossly over value a true ace. I would love for my team to get Johan Santana, but it is unfortunate a team like the Twins may not be able to keep him because of these ridiculous salaries.  He will get at least 20-23 mill a year.  

by ReLaunch on Jan 1, 2007 5:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Randy, hell no.
A Cy Young contender? Not based on VORP, or K/BB, or any peripherals. If he wins it will be an absurd voting performance by the baseball writers when FatBoy Colon beat Johan Santana.

You AL fans absolutely over-rate the difference between the AL and NL for hitting. I know you follow an AL East team, the best offensive division in probably all of baseball, but the AL West was a pathetic hitting division and he had a great defense in Oakland, as well as a huge foul territory.

He's going to a worse defense, possibly a worse offense, and a home ballpark with not nearly enough foul territory(new age ballpark with limited foul ground.)

So where exactly is the logic of making an absurd comment like that Randy? Zito was and is over-rated. Even his Cy Young award was a joke, Pedro totally deserved it that year.

Face the facts. His walks are going up. His strikeouts are going down. The NL West can't hit, but even with a pitcher hitting they are almost as good as the AL West, which besides games at Arlington are very poor.

Scouts have been mentioning that even his famed curveball is losing some of it's bite. He's never been hurt, that's right, but neither had Mike Hampton when he got his huge contract.

Even though Zito is staying in another pitcher's park, without the expansive foul territory and the great defense, he's not going to be as good as he was in Oakland.

You can't win a Cy Young or be in contention for the award with an ERA around 4 and around 13-15 wins.

by future on Jan 1, 2007 10:51 AM EST reply actions  

Re: Randy, hell no.
I never said Zito was overrated. I never said Zito was a great pitcher. I never said Zito is worth $126 million dollars. The simple fact is that Zito, who had success pitching in the AL, is moving to a weaker league.

You bring up how he's leaving a pitcher friendly park, but look at his 2006 splits:

Barry Zito
HOME AWAY
IP 109.0 112.0
ERA 4.71 2.97
Wins 6 10
Loss 7 3
HR 18 9
Opp. BA .275 .240

Looks like he was a MUCH better pitcher away from home last year. Zito isn't as good as a pitcher like Johan Santana or Pedro Martinez, but he is going to the NL and facing unfamiliar hitters. We see it happen often where a pitcher changes leagues and dominates (and vice versa: Josh Beckett, '06). I wouldn't be surprised to see Zito, even behind a bad defense, contend for a Cy Young.

by Randy Booth on Jan 1, 2007 9:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Re: Randy, hell no.
So...he's going to have bad peripherals, maybe a high ERA...and he's not going to win as much...and he's going to contend for a Cy Young award?

Pull the other leg, it's got bells on it.

by future on Jan 2, 2007 1:51 PM EST up reply actions  

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