Better Know An Enemy: Pt. 2, Cleveland Indians
...the fightin' Indians.
All right. Are the Cleveland Indians really the enemy? The answer to this, actually, is absolutely maybe. While we are winning the division next season, the Indians could be part of a three-horse race in the Central to keep the Yanks out of the playoffs. How will they accomplish this lofty and important goal? Will they do so? How badly could they fail if they do, in fact, fail? Let's take a look.
First of all, I'm going to go on record as being a fan of Mark Shapiro as a GM. If GMs came up for FA as often as players do, I would hope that (should Theo go gorilla again) Henry, Werner, et al would pursue Mark Shapiro as a FA GM. This is not the case, as GMs either hang around for a fairly long time {think Cashman, Ryan, Towers, Schuerholz, Sabean(how?)} or when they come to a point where they control their destiny, no one will have them.
Bullpen
That being said, Shapiro is a lot like Theo as far as the bullpen goes: not a priority/doesn't have a lot of success building one. Anyone remember that poor kid who seemingly blew 15 saves against us in the span of three days? Yeah. He was in his first stint as a full-time reliever since...never. This came on the heels of the Bob Wickman trade to Atlanta, of course. What has Shapiro done so far this offseason? He's signed such luminaries as this guy and this guy. To be fair, Aaron Fultz had a pretty good season for Philadelphia in 2005, but it's likely an aberration. Hernandez would've been a great signing 7-10 years ago. He's now a solid veteran presence, which can't be discounted in the Indians likely-to-be young bullpen.
Tom Mastny, and I'm going out on a limb here, will be Cleveland's closer for most of the season. I know about Joe Borowski. I also know about these two guys. How good have you been since you left Florida, fellas? Exactly. Thus, Tom Mastny. He actually had a fairly successful season between Akron and Buffalo as a relief pitcher last season. His success did not translate as well at the ML level. It seems like Rafael Betancourt has been the Indians' closer of the future since I was born (1983). I don't know how much future he has left, at age 31, but his peripherals over his career have been pretty good. The Indians have some talent here, but likely will experience some of the same growing pains/torture as they did last season.
Lineup
What about their lineup? This is the strength of the Indians. Grady Sizemore, Travis Hafner (this will be sportswriters' trendy MVP pick for 2007), and Victor Martinez are all well above-average offensively at their positions. Similarly, Sizemore and Hafner are good defenders at their positions(CF and DH respectively). Alas, Victor Martinez, for all his good qualities, would probably have trouble throwing out Doug Mirabelli trying to steal third. Statheads will tell you that Victor Martinez moving to 1B would reduce his value. I say he's more valuable wherever he's not allowing free-wheeling teams like the Oakland A's more stolen base opportunities. The Indians have two prospects/players we should be familiar with, Kelly Shoppach, and Andy "My Name Will Be Beaten Into Your Heads Until I Retire" Marte. The 3B job is Marte's to lose next season, even with the exciting offensive line he has put up in his short ML career. Either way, he's supposedly a great defender at 3B, and he's gotta be better than this guy right? He doesn't even come up big in important moments. ...too soon?
The Indians traded a 3B prospect they didn't need and a relief arm they probably could've used for Josh Barfield. I applauded this trade at the time, and I still do. This is a young cost-controlled player who has shown the ability to be productive at the big league level. They had a hole at 2B, and filled it better than they could've on the FA market. Ryan Garko should have the 1B job out of spring training. I've read rumors that that might not be a slam-dunk: he's potential trade bait to any team needing a solid hitter for a 1B or DH slot. Jhonny Peralta. Maybe it's best that I don't delve into that right now. He was poor defensively in 2006. He was poor defensively in 2005 as well, but that got overshadowed by the year he had at the plate. It's his job, but the Indians are wisely on the lookout for a solid defender at the position who wouldn't be an absolute waste at the plate. This guy? Gone. This guy? Not available. The Indians might be stuck with Peralta, so I'm hoping for their sake that he proves 2006 was simply a sophomore slump.
Outfielders? Platoon city. Sizemore has CF held down, but RF and LF will be a combination of David Delluci, Shin-Soo Choo, Jason Michaels and Casey Blake. No problems here. They all have their strengths and weaknesses, and as long as Eric Wedge plays them correctly and rides the hot hand (these will be the real challenges), they should amount to two productive corner OFers.
Starting Pitching
Cliff Lee. C.C. Sabathia. Jake Westbrook. Jeremy Sowers. Paul Byrd. Barring a trade, the Indians go into ST with as much certainty in their rotation as anyone. Lee, Sabathia, and Sowers are all LHPs, with Westbrook and Byrd from the right side. Lee and Westbrook should both be good for 200+ slightly above-average innings next season. Paul Byrd will be counted on for slightly less than that. Sabathia and Sowers are the real talent. Sowers pitched slightly less than a half-season of ML ball last year. He proved up to the task, though he would do well to up his K-rate. Sabathia is the staff ace with some conditioning problems. His control has gotten better over the course of his career. He's still 26, with a bit of untapped potential left in him. For all of my praise of the lineup, this may be the strength of the Indians' club. Three absolute innings-eaters, one who probably is/could be, and one who has been before.
Overall
If ANY of the Indians' bullpen moves pan out, they should be contenders in 2007. This is where gratuitious spending on the bullpen would've/could've been useful (sorry Orioles). The offense is solid, scoring 870 runs last season, second in the majors. It seemed to be feast or famine, as they had a lot of blowout wins and a lot of one-run losses. Defensively, they're not great, though they do have a couple bright spots, most notably at 3B and CF. Starting pitching is a strength. Indians, consider yourselves better known.
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Sabathia is something of a stud (fatter than David Wells, too, which is worthy of kudos). Sizemore's a star. Peralta ought to rebound. I like the Indians and I pretty much consider them my second team (a long, long way second, though).
Re: Cleveland Indians
It's also, I think, important to note that if Travis Hafner continues the way he hit most of the season last year...well...we may have a new Edgar Martinez Award winner in 2007.
by Allen Chace on Dec 21, 2006 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
Indians Fans
Certainly agreed I don't have the best sources on the Indians. Mostly I've gone by what I've seen on mlb.com, in Indians games I've seen, and articles on their offseason moves. I personally believe either A) Borowski doesn't hold up or B) He can't adjust to the AL too well (Hi, Todd Jones). If any Indians fans out there would chime in with who they believe would be second in line, I'd love to hear about it, as I'm sure everyone else on OTM would too. Mastny just happened to end up on top of the depth chart on mlb.com, which admittedly is probably out-of-date. I'm also aware there is somewhat of a crunch as far as options go with some of the Indians young pitchers, and Mastny certainly has options remaining.
Going with a proven closer isn't the most viable option this offseason, as the cost for Mike Gonzalez was apparently Victor Martinez for the Indians. Borowski was one of the better and more cost-effective options out there, but in my mind, that didn't neccessarily make him a good option.
Re: Indians Fans
I'm a regular reader of "Let's Go Tribe", where a poster had linked your Cleveland Indian column. I'm sure Ryan and Jay appreciate your compliment of their blog. I may not be the most qualified to help dissect the Tribe, but as an Indian fan for nearly 40 years, I certainly claim a right to my opinions, however right or wrong they may be. :)
"First of all, I'm going to go on record as being a fan of Mark Shapiro as a GM."
Me too, Allen. Some Indian fans use the term "Shappie" in a derogatory way to describe those of us who seemingly agree with nearly every move the guy makes, but I can't help it....I just agree with nearly every move the guy makes. They don't all work, but I'm not about to claim to be able to do the job any better. He seems to be a savvy guy, doing what he can with the resources available.
On to...the bullpen. It sucked in '06. Bob Wickman is a likable guy, but he gave us all near heart attacks while he was around. But he usually got the job done. Unfortunately, our starters(notably Byrd, Jason Johnson...remember him?) were not up to par, and our middle relief corps stunk. I new we were in trouble when Danny Graves made the team. And we wanted Delcarmen, not Mota. :| We had a lefty who liked to get drunk and hide in the bushes. We called up young guns who shot blanks. An overhaul was needed...
My early wish list included Borowski who we got, and Mike Gonzalez, who the f***ing Yankees appear to be obtaining. Hernandez and Fultz should be stabilizers for us, along with Betancourt and a healthy Matt Miller. Fernando Cabrera has dynamite stuff, but had an awful '06...hopefully he finds it next year. A real key imho, is signing your guy, Keith Foulke. Along with JoBo, they were the two free agents I felt who could really solidify the back end of the bullpen. Without him, we'll still be okay I think....Borowski could go all year, or share time closing with Hernandez until someone like Cabrera steps up. A healthy Foulke, if signed, is the closer though.
Fausto Carmona should go back to Buffalo as a starter and will be a good one. Tom Mastny will most likely be in Buffalo also, along with Edward Mujica. Both have talent, but need a little more seasoning perhaps. We have a potential lefty closer with great stuff named Tony Sipp who may see some big league time in '07. He and F. Cabrera are definite closer material....just not yet. With the few veterans added and some talented youngsters who saw fire last year, we should be improved in the bullpen, perhaps drastically. We couldn't possibly get much worse.
In the field, we'll be better defensively with Marte and Barfield...and hopefully Jhonny Peralta. VMart will never be able to throw out many runners, but if he struggles too much longer...well, first base could be his. Kouzmanoff may have become a good firstbaseman, but with Garko/Blake/VMart on hand, he was expendable for the right guy. Tribe fans including myself, seem to in the dark as to what the plans are for Garko...either he's traded, platooned, or sent to Buffalo. Weak defensively, but he could be similar to Youklis on offense....but not as lead-off man.
In the OF, we have Sizemore and two platoons....which SHOULD work very well. Dellucci was a nice sign imo, and Michaels can go back to facing only lefties. Blake and Choo should work well in right, as both are athletic and have great arms. Blake should play first vs Righties, VMart or Garko vs lefties. Look for Shoppach to get starts at C vs lefties. Choo and Garko may be fighting for the last roster spot, edge to Choo.
We should be strong offensively, no doubt....a comeback with the stick by Peralta would be nice.
Our rotation should be competitive with anyone. Sowers was a big improvement over J.J., and Byrd could be a little better....but if not, Carmona, Slocum, and possibly Adam Miller will be ready to take up the slack.
Basically Allen, I agree with you that Cleveland will contend next year, though the division is a tough one. We're talented, but young...anything can happen. But if the new veterans we added can contribute, I think we'll do just fine.
Thanks for listening. And I remember when Cleveland was still in the East division, so I know who the real enemy is...beat the S.O.B.s. ;)
Re: Indians Fans
One of the bigger mistakes I made in my original post was on Casey Blake. Most people here (and all on Let's Go Tribe) probably know that he's not just a platoon OF. He can play both corner IF positions as well, and not in the way that Shea Hillenbrand can play both corner IF positions. I'm aware he's not too powerful, but he's a valuable piece if used right (i.e. not given starts over younger players with more potential).
Garko was another, at least slight, oversight. I realize he's trade bait, and he didn't have the power I'm predicting for him in 2007, but I think it's something he could develop. 400+ ABs at 1B with .290 15-20 HRs and 70-80 RBIs might've been a little more realistic. As long as most of those other ABs are going towards getting Martinez in the lineup when Shoppach plays, he'll be a useful piece in such a role. The Youkilis comparision is one I didn't even consider, though I've now seen it from you and on LGT, if I remember correctly.
Another huge mistake, and this was a diction error, was in calling the Indians offense solid. It's much more than that. Scoring 870 runs while experiencing a "down" year from your SS (even if there was only one season to compare him to) and almost a complete hole at 3B was and is an accomplishment. 870 runs, and I think it has the potential to be better next season.
Another note, if anyone reads this again/gets down this far is that I will be trying to update all of these during ST as final rosters become easier to predict. Stay tuned.
by Allen Chace on Dec 27, 2006 10:48 AM EST up reply actions

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