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Know (And Criticize) Thine Enemy, Pt. 1: Baltimore Orioles.

We've got Daisuke.  We've got Lugo.  Drew is all but wrapped up.  And Doug Mirabelli will be catching the knuckler once again, according to reports.  What do we do now?  My gut feeling is that the closer position will not be solved in the very immediate future.

I thought it might be interesting to look at the moves (and non-moves) other teams in the league have been making lately.  Let's start with the Orioles.

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The Orioles have been remaking their bullpen.  They signed Scott Williamson, Danys Baez, Jamie Walker, and Chad Bradford.  All of these are good moves by themselves, for the most part.  Baez, Walker, and Bradford all got too many years, and all are at least slightly overpaid.  Williamson is the classic low-risk/high-reward signing at slightly under $1M/1YR.  However, this significantly improves a bullpen that, beyond Chris Ray, was definitely shaky last season.  

Where these are not good moves is in whether they will pay off as far as wins/the division goes.  I have to think the answer there is no.  The Orioles did a lot to fix one problem and basically nothing to fix the others.  Their lineup returns almost completely intact, aside from the addition of old "friend" Jay Payton.  A lineup that finished ahead of only 4 teams in the AL in runs scored.  

Their rotation is solidly unspectacular, beyond Erik Bedard, who broke out in a pretty big way last year.  He's a talented guy, but can he single-handedly make up for the solid mediocrity of Kris Benson and Jaret Wright?  The inconsistency of Daniel Cabrera?  The youth of Adam Loewen?  The last two could be better next season: they've both got talent.  Speaking of Jaret Wright, I'm probably not alone in saying the Orioles got hosed on that deal.  The Yankees could've picked up his option or not; either way, giving up anything of value probably was not neccessary.  Making a division rival hold on to a $7M 5-inning average/below-average starter is not the worst thing in the world.  Their bullpen should be greatly improved, but on the "stength" of their rotation, their team era probably will not make a huge leap (or drop, I guess), though I suppose jettisoning these fine pitchers can only help.  (Unfortunately, they've not gotten rid of Lopez quite yet.)

A couple other notable moves:  Re-signing Millar?  Good idea.  Guy still has good plate discipline, which is somewhat lacking on that team as a whole.  They also signed him for half of what they might've had to pay a Shea Hillenbrand, for example.  Signing Paul Bako?  The Transaction Oracle and Camden Chat's SC say it better than I ever could.

Notable non-moves?  How about trading both Brian Roberts and Miguel Tejada at the peaks of their value?  Don't think either LA team would fork over tons of prospects in order to slot Tejada in as their cleanup hitter and third baseman? (I think I remember reading somewhere that Tejada didn't want to move to 3B, but I read the same kind of reports about Soriano and LF)  Don't think they could get a decent return on Brian Roberts while he's still young enough to be considered a semi-elite baserunner?  They can in both cases, but they won't.  Not as long as Angelos owns the team.  Just remember.  JWH, LL, TW and TE don't always get it right.  But during their tenure, I can't remember Sox fans even considering something like this.

The Orioles are due for a major overhaul and some rebuilding.  They're slightly better than middle of the pack, in terms of their farm system, as rated by Baseball America.  Taking some of the Angels or Dodgers top-flight talent for Tejada would probably push them several spots up.

Bright Spot:Nick Markakis.  Kid seems like the real deal, a good RF defensively and more-than-solid with the bat.
First Step To Improvement:Angelos selling the team to someone...anyone else.

Any thoughts?      

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This is obviously the first in a potential series. Should I continue? Opinions/Thoughts in the comments would be appreciated.
Yes.
42 votes
No.
0 votes
I don't care about other teams. More Daisuke coverage.
2 votes

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Re: Know (And Criticize) Thine Enemy, Pt. 1: Balt
Not really a concern. I think with all these big off season moves we should be solely focused on winning the division and beating the yankees. Teams like the orioles we should just be able to role over and beat  atleast 12-14 of the 19 meetings
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by jsnvaritek33 on Dec 14, 2006 10:52 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Know (And Criticize) Thine Enemy, Pt. 1: Balt
I'm not concerned either, honestly.  Just thought it'd be fun/good to be more informed about what other teams around the league are doing.
"They say giving is it's own reward. But what's in it for you?" -Stephen Colbert

by Allen Chace on Dec 14, 2006 10:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Know (And Criticize) Thine Enemy, Pt. 1: Balt
You say that, but we haven't been able to beat the devil rays in the last fwe years.  i mean, seriously, the devil rays?  we gotta be able to control those divison games, especially against teams that should be easy victories.

by forage on Dec 15, 2006 12:21 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Know (And Criticize) Thine Enemy, Pt. 1: Balt
I agree, forage.  They seem to play us and the Yankees extra-tough.  Gotta give em credit for that.  Doesn't mean we shouldn't be at least ahead by a couple games when the season series is all said and done.
"They say giving is it's own reward. But what's in it for you?" -Stephen Colbert

by Allen Chace on Dec 15, 2006 12:24 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Baltimore Orioles
I've heard good things about Hayden Penn, and between him, Bedard, Loewen, and Cabrera, the O's could be near where Detroit was a few years back with their young pitching.

Markakis is a stud-to-be. I lived in DC last spring and "got to" watch a lot of Oriole games on the TV, and this guy has a beautiful swing.

I've also heard rumors of an Adam Laroche trade (for Hayden Penn), who would be a legitmate power threat and move Millar to DH and keep whoever their DH would've been (Gibbons?) on the bench.

I think they'll be a better team by virtue of their 'pen improvements and their young pitching maturing. And if Markakis breaks out. I wouldn't be shocked if they eked past the Jays for 3rd place. That said, they should give up the ghost, and trade Tejada and Roberts for some fresh talent. But they won't.

by tommy.otm on Dec 15, 2006 12:29 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Baltimore Orioles
That's certainly a positive comparison for Baltimore.  And the whole idea of youngsters taking their lumps in the majors certainly worked out for Detroit.  

Agreed on Markakis.  Guy can hit and field.  I also hear he's working on his baserunning, could be a 15-20 SB threat if successful?

They'll be a better team, but I still think they'll occupy fourth place.  I'll do one of these about the Blue Jays in the next couple weeks, but their only offensive question marks on any level are Clayton and Hill(I think Hill will prove to be plenty productive for the 8th/9th slot either way).  Just on that level alone they beat out the Orioles.  Neither team's IF defense is great, Jays OF defense is better.  I think more than a slight edge in pitching too.  Of course, there are other things that would surprise me more.

"They say giving is it's own reward. But what's in it for you?" -Stephen Colbert

by Allen Chace on Dec 15, 2006 12:37 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Baltimore Orioles
Halladay is money, Burnett could be good, but after that their rotation stinks. They have a lot of young arms, and maybe Chacin will develop, or Towers, but I think the O's young-uns have more of an upside. And losing Lilly is a huge blow to them, he was right behind Halladay in quality starts. And they haven't really replaced Speier, their set-up man.

They're going to score a lot of runs, especially if Thomas is healthy, but their pitching has regresssed. And if Wells doesn't take that contract, he'll be traded by the All-Star break. They don't scare me.

by tommy.otm on Dec 15, 2006 12:54 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Baltimore Orioles
I'm not trying to say they scare me, but I still think they're better than the O's.  Their pitching kids have upside, sure, but Cabrera needs to get his walks WAY down, and that won't happen overnight.  

The Jays are going to go into the season with Brandon League as their primary setup man.  Given Speier's recent injury issues and his four-year deal, I don't blame the Jays.  It's going to be a drop in production though, at least for awhile.

Lilly's QS will be hard to replace.  

"They say giving is it's own reward. But what's in it for you?" -Stephen Colbert

by Allen Chace on Dec 15, 2006 1:08 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Baltimore Orioles
And I'm not saying the O's are next years third place team, I'm just saying I wouldn't be shocked if they were.

by tommy.otm on Dec 15, 2006 1:57 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The O's have wasted
all their money on overpaying for bullpen arms. Ridiculous behaviour.

Um, right, Mr Angelos, you can just cruise to the top of the AL East by paying Chad Bradford $10.5m over three years and Jamie Walker $12m over three years. There's $22.5m just pissed up the wall, if you'll pardon the vernacular. Those arms will really come in handy for all those late inning, one run games that you won't be participating in because of holes in the lineup.

Not a good time to be an O's fan.

Really, in a league where the Red Sox, Yankees and, to a slightly lesser extent, the Blue Jays are all spending huge sums of money, it seems to be the only possible tactic would be to trade Tejada for the biggest haul of prospects possible. Rebuild, rebuild, rebuild.

Vote for Pedroia

by britsoxfan on Dec 15, 2006 4:37 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Know (And Criticize) Thine Enemy,
Well Baltimore can't have an "uber" payroll like the Red Sox to keep up with all the offseason moves.  Seriously though, Theo looks like a hypocrite after what he said in August, that was all BS.  The Sox do have the resources to keep up with the Yanks.  This should stop the whinning about the Yanks buying everything, becasue Boston buys alot more and isn't full of homegrown talent.
DH- Ortiz - FA
1B- Youk - Homegrown (I think)
2nd - Dustin P - Homegrown
SS- Lugo - FA
3B - Lowell - Trade
C - Varitek - Trade
LF- Ramirez - FA
CF - Crisp - Trade
RF - Drew - FA
Schilling - Trade
Papelbon - Homegrown
Matsuzaka - FA
Wakefield - FA
Clement - FA
Beckett - Trade
Tavarez - FA
Closer - FA/Trade

by ReLaunch on Dec 15, 2006 7:02 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Know (And Criticize) Thine Enemy,
Yes yes, but what about the Orioles? What should they do?
Vote for Pedroia

by britsoxfan on Dec 15, 2006 7:11 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Know (And Criticize) Thine Enemy,
I know its about the Orioles.  But this is just a point to consider.  Interesting how you avoided the entire topic though.  I don't care if the Sox spend or don't, but I just  find it ironic they said they couldn't do it earlier, and now they are.  They didn't have 45-50 million last year for Damon but have over 200 million now to spend on others?  Theo is going either be a great GM or a lucky one in 04.  We will see.

by ReLaunch on Dec 15, 2006 7:46 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Know (And Criticize) Thine Enemy,
This is getting tedious. You've brought up the subject of the Red Sox payroll several times before. Fine. Point made. But I think you'd have to look pretty hard around here to find someone who still believes that the Red Sox are a tight-fisted, strapped-for-cash organisation. We're spending a lot of money. It's clear the situation has changed in recent years (maybe the NESN revenue is really starting to kick in).

The Damon argument doesn't wash for a variety of reasons.

I'm all for having fans of teams other than the Red Sox post on OTM, but please bring something fresh to the debate.

Vote for Pedroia

by britsoxfan on Dec 15, 2006 8:00 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Know (And Criticize) Thine Enemy,
You are not understanding what I am trying to say.  I am happy the Sox are making these moves than not.  It will make them better and the games between they Yanks alot better.  I just don't understand when on one hand the GM can say he can't do it, and then a few months later, he does it.  That is my entire point.  

also, you tell me to bring something fresh, Sox fans have been whining and coming to the Yanks site complaining about payroll and buying players.  

by ReLaunch on Dec 15, 2006 9:57 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Know (And Criticize) Thine Enemy,
Relaunch, britsoxfan's point, which you might've gotten, might've missed, might not've cared about is that the topic is the Baltimore Orioles.

When I make a post for Yankees fans to point out the pretty obscure fact that the Red Sox have been spending some money this offseason, I'll be sure to give you a heads up.

If he ignored the "topic", then what exactly do you call what you were doing?

"They say giving is it's own reward. But what's in it for you?" -Stephen Colbert

by Allen Chace on Dec 15, 2006 10:30 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Know (And Criticize) Thine Enemy,
I don't think you can count trades against us because we have to give up either major league talent (Varitek) or hot prospects (Beckett). Also when you considers we got Wake and Ortiz on the cheap with little competition, that is just good management (all teams supplement their rosters with FAs). The signings of Manny, Drew, and to a lesser extent, Lugo I can understand your argument about how we used our money to lure them away from their teams but havent the O's done that also (Tejada, Palmero, Javy Lopez)
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by jsnvaritek33 on Dec 15, 2006 6:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Orioles
Angelos doesn't care about trying to win with the Orioles.  His latest trick is making money off the Washington Nationals.  Orioles won't win until Angelos is gone.  He doesn't give a crap about putting together a winning team.

by RickD on Dec 15, 2006 9:45 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

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